Cousin Beattie in America

[pipsqueak]

Can anyone please help me to date these two photographs so I can try to figure out who Cousin Beattie is? She is cousin to Flo, born in 1866, if that's any help!

Thank you :)

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm184/squeakpip/Beattie.jpg


http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm184/squeakpip/Beattiedaughters.jpg

[Marie C..]

I would think about 1910-ish perhaps (the second one with the two girls)
First one a bit earlier than that.
Marie

[pipsqueak]

I was thinking about the same. How old would you say she is? This is her cousin Flo at about age 45, in 1911.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm184/squeakpip/flo1911.jpg

[bwarnerok]

I'd place the first photo around 1900 as the design seems very similar to my great grandmother's wedding dress.

-b-

[pipsqueak]

That's helpful - American styles aren't always the same as English ones. Now I need to find out her surname... I think I know it but I think the name I know is her maiden name and I don't even know where she fits in! It's intriguing though.

[Marie C..]

Age? In the first one I would think she was less than 20.
In the second one(with the girls) she looks so much older and sadder. Early forties perhaps or maybe she had just lost a baby or had a sorrow. Did they dye their hair at that time?
M

[pipsqueak]

Funnily enough, on the back of that second one she has written that people had remarked that she looked sad in the photo. She doesn't however give the names of the girls.

This is so frustrating. I have a birthday book entry for Beatrice Sutton - with a date but not a year, I have a photo of a Beattie with no surname who says she's a cousin, so the photo could be Beatrice Sutton, but if it is, and she is married, I'm no better off. Besides, I have no idea who her father is!!!

[Penny Gallo]

I think the first one could be 1892-3. Sleeves had just started to really balloon out into the leg o' mutton. Her hairstyle is also right for early-mid 1890s when they used the curling tongs heated in a flame to give them that frizzy fringe. Studio portraits usually show people wearing their best (newest) clothes as they were done to send to family, a fiance or friends(unless their working clothes had been requested by someone else paying for the photo), whereas some of the "tin-type" street photographers captured people in their everyday clothes.

[pipsqueak]

I think I might have found her. Based on people's comments and assumptions that the photo with the children was taken in about 1910 and the other one was an engagement picture or something of that sort I have been looking for a family in New Jersey around 1910.

The back of the group photo says that she has been married 16 years. Believe it or not, I found a family in New Jersey in 1910 of a man called Robert Sutton, wife Beatrice, a son and two daughters. The girls were aged 9 and 6 and the husband and wife had been married 16 years. The husband and wife were from England, as were the children, except for the son, who was born in New Jersey.

That led me to look back to England where I found the family living in Walthamstow in 1901, less than half a mile from my great-grandparents! The eldest daughter being only two months old. Its too much of a coincidence for it not to be the people in the photo.

My final question is: are these Suttons members of my family (my g-gm was a Sutton, so they could be) OR were they just friends with the same name? Three of my seven Sutton brothers disappeared after one or two census apprearances so there is still a chance that Beatrice's husband is my g-gm's cousin, but I can't find him prior to 1901.

If anyone would like to help find out who they are, the details are here.

Missing brothers are: Joseph Sutton, born 1827, Crowland, Lincs (appears on 1841 census only)
William Henry Sutton, born 1832, Crowland Lincs (appears on 1841 and 1851 census only) and Edward Charles Sutton, born 1839, Crowland Lincs (appears on 1841 and 1851 census only).

Edward led me on a wild goose chase to Toronto at one point but he turned out to be the wrong one. He would be my best bet as being the father of Robert E Sutton, however.

Robert E Sutton was born, according to 1901 census, in Stoke Newington in 1865/6. Beatrice was born in Birmingham and they appear to have met and married in New Jersey.

Thanks for the input.