ELIZABETH EVANS

[santana]

Hello everyone,

I am searching for the d.o.d. for my Grandmother.

I have been told, "she lived in Rainham Essex England, and placed in an Old Peoples Home, where she died in 1971."

ELIZABETH, (LIZZIE) -OR- ELIZA JANE EVANS (MARRIED)
D.O.B. FEBRUARY 13TH 1881 BELFAST NORTHERN IRELAND
ELIZABETH -OR- ELIZA JANE MCCALLUM(BIRTH)

Any help will be very much appreciated!

Thank you,

Joan

[pipsqueak]

No sign of her death in Essex in 1971 that I can find. Nor can I find an Eliza, Elizabeth or Lizzie Evans with that year of birth who died in 1971. Sorry.

[santana]

Hi Pipsqueak,

Thank you for your very quick response.
Would it be possible to check from 1960-1975??
I would greatly appreciate it.
Many thanks,

Joan

[Mutley]

Looked on the full indexes for the four quarters of 1971 and the first quarter of 1972. There are loads with those first names but not died in Essex.

[santana]

Hi Mutley,

Thank you very much for checking.
I would greatly appreciate the same check, using the last name Smyth, or, Smart.
Many thanks,

Joan

[Mutley]

Only one Elizabeth/Eliza/Lizzie Smyth in 1872 at Royston but she was only 42.

Smarts
Elizabeth, June 1870 Edmonton age 81 - 3a/110
Elizabeth, June 1872 Edmonton age 67- 3a/138

Have you tried searching on FreeBMD (http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl)? The search engine is a very good one. You can play for hours with all sorts of combinations.;)

[santana]

Hi Mutley,

Again, I thank you very much for your help.
No, I have not tried BMD, but I shall!!

Joan

[santana]

Hi Everyone,

My brickwall is my GMother.

Eliza Jane -or- Elizabeth Evans nee McCallum
d.o.b. 1881
Belfast N. Ireland

Have checked all records for Ireland - Nothing.
I have a feeling she moved to England to be with a daughter, and died there.

If anyone can help me with my search, I would greatly appreciate it!
Many thanks,

Santana

[AdeleE]

Hello Joan,
As this new thread of today deals with the same query as two years ago, I have merged the two threads so that forum members can see the research done by members to date, and thus avoid having duplicate threads and research on the same topic.

[Mutley]

Hello Santana (great name, fab guitarist!)

Eliza or Elizabeth McCallum married a Mr. Evans,
what was his first name and when and where did they marry?

Do you know the daughter's name and any other children Eliza had?

It saves a lot of time when we are searching if we have a few more details.

Thanks

[santana]

Hello Joan,
As this new thread of today deals with the same query as two years ago, I have merged the two threads so that forum members can see the research done by members to date, and thus avoid having duplicate threads and research on the same topic.



Thank you.

[santana]

Hello,

I do have her birth certificate:
d.o.b. February 13th 1881
Lizzie McCallum
Father: John McCallum
Mother: Lizzie McCallum - formerly Umphrey
Adds: 13 Molyneux St. Belfast N. Ireland

I believe the daughter she was going to visit lived in Rainham Essex England.

[santana]

Hi,

To begin - Santana is my GDaughter's name, and I think it is great also!
Eliza first married my GFather George Smyth in 1901 in Belfast N. Ireland
He was killed in Flanders in 1914.
Eliza then married William Evans in 1914, in Belfast N. Ireland
He died in 1942.
Eliza, I believe, went to Rainham Essex England, and stayed with a daughter, Dolly Griffith.
Dolly had a daughter Gloria.

Joan

[AdeleE]

I have found this death registration, which gives a birth date which is one day and one year different from the date on her birth registration. The year of death is also only one year different from the information that you were given:

Name: Elizabeth Evans
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1882
Death Registration Quarter/Year: September 1970
Registration district: Surrey Mid Eastern
Volume: 5g
Page: 7

[Mutley]

That is helpful, thank you.

If you cannot find a death registration then there is a reason, wrong name, wrong date, wrong place.

In order for us to work through this and track back you may be asked some questions you think are irrelevant. Please bear with us.
Have you tracked Eliza Smyth in the 1911 Irish census? It is free to search

[bibliojunkie]

If William died in 1942, it is possible Eliza married for a third time thus throwing another surname into the pot! As Mutley indicated, there are a few questions to be asked:

Could you please clarify when Eliza married William Evans? According to the CWGC, George Smyth died on 30 December 1914. ‘Husband of E Evans (formerly Smyth) of 6 George St, Newtownards, Co. Down.’

What are the names of Eliza and George‘s children? Did Eliza have any children by William? Is Dolly a nickname for Dorothy? I tried to find information through her. There are a couple of possible births for her daughter but the maiden names do not tie in with what is known so far. I cannot mention them because the folk concerned may still be living.

Ali

Ah just thought, if Dolly and her daughter were born in Northern Ireland then I’ve been looking in the wrong place!

[grisel]

From their free search UHF seem to have a marriage in Antrim in 1915 between William Evans (father's name Henry) and Elizabeth Smith(note spelling) (father's name John). You can download this for a fee. I think the marriage is on the IGI pilot site for William Evans but no spouse given.

Can't see any Evans/Smythe or Evans/McCallum marriages on UHF.

[grisel]

UHF also have a death of an Elizabeth Evans, Belfast 1958. Would that be possible?

Certificates can also be obtained from Gen Record Office Northern Ireland.( GRONI)

[santana]

Hi,m

Yes, I did find Lizzie in the 1911 Census, and I have traced her up to 1949, living on Meekon St. Belfast.

Santana

[santana]

Hi,

I also wondered if she had married for the third time.
William and Eliza married in 1915 (sorry), at Trinity Church of Ireland Belfast.
Eliza and George had 1 son John 1900 he died in 1902, George born in 1901, Martha, born in 1904,
John (my Father), born in 1906, James born in 1913, there may be more between 1906 and 1913, but that is all I have found so far.
Eliza and William had 1 daughter Elizabeth (I think this is Dolly), born 1916, and Theresa born 1919.

Santana

[santana]

Hi,

Definitely born in 1881.

Santana

[santana]

Hi,

Eliza married William, 22/2/1940.
Her given name was Eliza Jane, sometimes, like on the Census, she is listed as Lizzie, and later in life, she called herself Elizabeth.

Santana

[santana]

Hi,

Yes, above is her marrige to William, and yes, sometimes it is spelt Smith.
Also, my Father's name was John, no middle name, his Father, George no middle name.!!

Santana

[santana]

Hi,

Even more confusion.
I found and Elizabeth Evans, born the same year 1881, married to a William Evans, died in 1958 - or - 1960,
Belfast, however after further digging, I found out this lady was married to a William James Evans, and my
Elizabeth, was married to a William Evans, - no middle name.

Santana

[bibliojunkie]

Hold up santana. You said earlier Eliza married William in 1915 but are now saying they married in 1940. :confused5: Do you have their marriage cert? If not, I agree with Graham (post 18) re obtaining this cert to make sure you are following the right person(s).

Where did you find Eliza in 1949 - what is your source? Can you be sure you have found your Eliza given there is another similarly named couple floating about?

Ali

PS The 1911 census has information as to how many children George and Eliza had. Have you accounted for all the living ones? If there are 'extras' they may be staying with relatives. Dolly doesn't strike me as a nickname for Elizabeth but who knows.

[santana]

Hi bibliojunkie,

I am sorry, the date 22/2/1940, was the date that Elizabeth, the daughter of Elizabeth (Lizzie), married
William McMaster.
I do have the marriage cert. and it states:
8/9/1915 Elizabeth Smith married William Evans in Trinity C of I Belfast.(Lizzie could not read nor write)
A friend in Belfast checked the years in the 'phone books, also the last listing, had Elizabeth McMaster,(her daughter) living close by.
William Evans was Private 4th Batt. R.I.F. Victoria barracks.
I contacted them, but they were unable to help.
Unable to account for all the children, I did find out, Lizzie was in the Belfast Workhouse with 2 children at one time.
George, oldest living Son, was sent to Barnardo's, and Martha, born in 1904, stayed with Lizzie.
Martha, was born 29th August 1904, only this one mention of her.

Santana

[bibliojunkie]

Is Elizabeth McMaster the daughter you think is Dolly? If so, how does this square with the Dolly Griffith you mention in post 14? Have you found a record of Elizabeth McMaster later marrying a Mr Griffith?

Ali

[santana]

Yes, I think Elizabeth McMaster, is the daughter of Elizabeth Evans, who went by the name of Dolly.
Elizabeth (Dolly) married Griffiths, and had a daughter Gloria.
I have no record of the marriage

Santana