Any FrontPage 2003 Experts?

[busyglen]

I could use some help from someone who has uploaded photos with FP please.

I have followed the manual and have seven photos in a Folder called photogallery. I have then proceeded to my FP Gallery page where they will be displayed and added them one by one to the list, and then chose the display. I then saved and uploaded the page to my website.

FP manual says that it will automatically save the pictures with the Web page and copies the thumbnails and full versions of the photos to the Web when I publish. So....where are they? I think they are floating in space! ;)

Now I know that normally you need the photo/image to be loaded as well, but I tried loading the photogallery folder, but it made no difference. :confused:

If anyone is able to help can the PM me and I will give you the link so that you can view the source. I can't show it here as it is with Rootsweb, which now also includes *A* in the ulr. (Just to make life more difficult)

MarkJ, if you want to have a look, just add /photo_gallery.htm to the ulr that I gave you before, if you still have it.

Glenys

[MarkJ]

I will happily look Glen - but I don't use FrontPage, so I may be stuck when it comes to FP specific things ;)
I presume the photos have been uploaded to the site?
Not a path problem is it? Because the photos will be in a folder, you would need the path to include that folder name if you uploaded in that way.

Off to look now Glen :)

Mark

Edit: Have looked - it appears to be a path problem looking at the page quickly Glenys.
Each image,according to your code, should be in the same place as the rest of your html - i.e not in a seperate folder. If it is, then all you need to do is to put /name_of_folder before the /imagename.jpg part.

[busyglen]

Thanks Mark...I will have a look and see what happens.

I know you don't use FP, but as the text mentioned the webbot thing I was on about yesterday, I thought you might like to see where it came from (although admittedly, I didn't tell you this) Doh!! Sorry. |oopsredfa

Glen

[MarkJ]

Ah - no problem! I shall look at the code with my all seeing eye ;)

Mark :D

The webbot thing has been added by FrontPage - it looks as if that is what it calls the code it uses for the album Glen. Not a problem.

Looking at the source code, unless you have changed it since earlier, it shows this for the photos -

photogallery/photo00005637/41719759.TScan058[1].jpg

So, it will be a case of looking where the pictures are in relation to the website space itself and changing the code to suit.
The photo00005637 bit seems to apply to each picture, so it would seem that is supposed to be a folder as well. Thus, your photos would be in a folder called photo00005637 which would be inside a folder called photogallery for that to work.

Mark :)

[busyglen]

I hope it's the `good' one! ;)

I've been googling the webbot code and I am even more lost now! Some of the answers relate to an earlier version of FP so it's possible that things have changed a bit since then.

I tried the Validator to see if it would pick anything up, but a lot of the issues are to do with the *A code I think. I'm beginning to think I shouldn't have started this, although the rest of it seems ok now, it's just these blessed photos now. If it was just a case of putting in an image (like the badge on the Coastguard site) I wouldn't have a problem.

Thought....I wonder if I could scrap the photos and do it that way? Although, the rest of it is dealt with via FP, so I don't know how it would work. ??

Glen

[MarkJ]

It is good that you have created the site Glen - having seen various parts of it, I know it will be a useful resource, as well as an interesting site to simply "nose around" :)

The validator - I assume you mean the w3c one? - won't like a lot of things on the site I expect. (I checked - it had a funny turn ;) )
FrontPage code always seems to make the Validator have a turn - stuff like not putting in the DocType means that the page will fail automatically and not declaring the DocType always throws up lots of other errors because the w3c site doesn't know how to deal with the page if the DocType is missing.

The problem with scrapping the FP stuff and rebuilding that page manually is how to get the effect you are after. I guess the page should show thumbnails which you can click to get a full sized image? That isn't too hard to do, but if you want a clever "roll over" effect - where if you place the cursor over a photo thumbnail it brings up the full sized image, that is a little more tricky (although Neil has done that several times I recall!)

Personally, I prefer the "simple" approach rather than having to start messing with scripts to get pages to do things. We did a page with a load of clickable thumbnails for some insect pictures a while back and it was very simple really.

Mark :)

[busyglen]

Ah - no problem! I shall look at the code with my all seeing eye ;)

Mark :D

The webbot thing has been added by FrontPage - it looks as if that is what it calls the code it uses for the album Glen. Not a problem.

Looking at the source code, unless you have changed it since earlier, it shows this for the photos -

photogallery/photo00005637/41719759.TScan058[1].jpg

So, it will be a case of looking where the pictures are in relation to the website space itself and changing the code to suit.
The photo00005637 bit seems to apply to each picture, so it would seem that is supposed to be a folder as well. Thus, your photos would be in a folder called photo00005637 which would be inside a folder called photogallery for that to work.

Mark :)

I did delete some text within the photos Mark so it may be a bit different, although it shouldn't have altered the code.

The photos are in a folder called photo00005637, which automatically was set up when I added them. I tried uploading that (although I deleted it again) as it didn't work then either. As I mentioned before, FP does say that the images are automatically uploaded at the same time as the page.??

I've got to go now, and shan't be able to work on it any more tonight.
Thanks for looking, and if anyone else has more knowledge and needs the ulr to have a look, could they PM you Mark so that you can give it to them? It's a pain with the A* ulr. It would have been easier if I could have just shown it.

Thanks again for looking. Will have another bash tomorrow. |hug|

Glen

[busyglen]

I'm just not clever enough Mark! :o I think this will be my last venture! I'm getting to old.

Bye for now.

Glen

[MarkJ]

I'm just not clever enough Mark! :o I think this will be my last venture! I'm getting to old.

Bye for now.

Glen

No such thing Glenys!
It will be something fairly simple. I will see what we can work out together tomorrow. If you drop me a quick email when you are around, I can ask a couple of quick questions and we should be able to get it sorted in a few minutes :)

Mark

[Sue Mackay]

Glenys

I am a complete computer dumbo but use Front Page 2003 to run my croquet website at www.swfcroquet.org.uk
I have photos on there and have not had a problem uploading them, although as Mark says you have to be careful with the path name, and when I put the photos into folders I had to jiggle around a bit. I have only included the URL in case Mark can use it to access HTML code or some such - I don't expect you to wade through my site!

If you PM me the details of your site then maybe, just maybe, I can see how it differs from the way I do it! I promise nothing

[MarkJ]

Cheers Sue :)
Your code is pretty much what I would expect to see. Glens is using some sort of album tool (which I assume is a Front Page thing) and it hasn't quite got it right I think. I imagine it is only a case of locating the place where the images really are and then putting the correct paths in.
Images can be funny - it looks fine on your PC, but unless you get the correct path once it is uploaded, things go awry!

I will PM you the site details for Glen - I think she has gone off to have a rest from all the website building!

Mark

[Neil Wilson]

Glenys
I also use FrontPage 2003, Shout if you need my help as well as Sue's.

[MarkJ]

I have already dropped you into the conversation Neil ;)

I will PM you Glens website addy so you can have a look at the code too :)

Mark

[Peter_uk_can]

I use FP and build all the pages directly on the "Normal" option.

I use Core FTP, a freebie FTP program to upload the pages.

The website is hosted for free by our internet provider (Shaw) and there are no adverts.

I also run the site on the Free Bravenet server, where this is adverts. It's like having another webbased backup and I can make changes and view them on there from any computer where as with the provider one I have to connect via Shaw.

I use a couple of "click" and "change" features on a few of the photographs, but avoid too many bells and whistles.

The website runs with a genealogy database compiled on Legacy, saved to my computer and uploaded via FTP to the website.

The website was started in 2005 and is updated throught the year.

Discipline in storing photographs is essential, they have to be in the same named folder for both creating the website and when it is uploaded

[MarkJ]

I think - and Neil agrees - that the issue is a path one. Once Glen is around tomorrow, I will see if we can get the photos into the correct place so they show :)

She has used an app called photogallery which I understand is something in FP. But, the problem seems to be just a path one. I suspect the photos are either not uploaded or are not in the correct place for the code to load them.

As you say Peter - it is vital to have the photos in the right place or they won't load.
I use a php tool called Coppermine myself for online photo albums but the same applies - correct locations or no show! Of course, with the Coppermine album, other joys - such as my MySQL database playing up - add to the problems!

Mark

[Sue Mackay]

Mark sent me the URL and I had a look, though when I look at HTML code I start going cross-eyed.

Looking just at the Properties for each photo you seem to have everything in one long path. Technically this should work, but you have to have everything labelled exactly right. From past experience you also have to make sure that you don't have "My Documents" anywhere in the path, otherwise only your computer can find the file!!

On my site I have a separate index page for the Photographs, with Photoraphs also being the name of a sub folder. Thus, for example, if you had a separate folder for photogaphs and called your Photo Gallery home page photo_gallery/index.htm then when you click the Hyperlink to your photo, assuming said photo is in the same folder on your computer, all you need to write in the Address box is
photo1234 (or whatever you have called it)

Then just upload the whole folder in one fell swoop.

Does this make sense?

[Peter_uk_can]

I think - and Neil agrees - that the issue is a path one. Once Glen is around tomorrow, I will see if we can get the photos into the correct place so they show :)

She has used an app called photogallery which I understand is something in FP. But, the problem seems to be just a path one. I suspect the photos are either not uploaded or are not in the correct place for the code to load them.

As you say Peter - it is vital to have the photos in the right place or they won't load.
I use a php tool called Coppermine myself for online photo albums but the same applies - correct locations or no show! Of course, with the Coppermine album, other joys - such as my MySQL database playing up - add to the problems!

Mark

All my photos are in a folder on the computer, so the folder I am using to create the page is the same folder that is sent to the server.

[busyglen]

Thanks everyone for your input. If I was still on the old version of FP I don't think I would have had a problem. It's this darned 2003 version that is causing me the hassle. It tells me one thing and does another! I've only got about 15 mins left to spare at the moment, so will give you some more info in case it helps.

For a start, I have very little code on my actual page when it leaves my pc...it is only inundated with code when it is uploaded, (not least the whole mass of coding by A*).

I have: the usual start codes including the background etc. etc. and the only other coding showing is: (I hope I don't include something I shouldn't)
*--webbot bot=*PhotoAlbum*U-Include=*photogallery/Photo00005637/real.htm*

There is only the usual closing tags and link to home page etc. So...I have no idea where all of this other coding comes from. I tried uploading the folder which contains the photos, and that didn't work. I also uploaded the *real* file..that didn't work either. Those files are automatically added when I import pictures etc into the page.

I think I will scrub the whole page and start again, and just add the photos in my own way, rather than use FP for this. I only need to upload the images separately then (providing FP lets me)!!

Will be back later this afternoon, if anyone has any other ideas. I appreciate all of your time and advice.

Many thanks

Glenys

[busyglen]

Just a quick addition....although I am still a novice in this website lark, I do understand the necessity to have the file containing the photo to be in the same place as the webpage, (I learnt this on my last site when trying to add an image) but I have been thrown by the fact that FP tells me (in the manual) that the picture and and thumbnail will be uploaded with the page. Once I have added them to the page of course! So why doesn't it? It's something to do with the real. files which only appear when you start to add the photos.

Oh well, back to cooking lunch....!

Glenys

[Sue Mackay]

Probably Mark and Neil can sort out your problems more easily Glenys, because they understand HTML, but I am a bit confused as to what you say about Front Page 2003. I can't say I've noticed any of these extra things you talk about, and part of the reason I use it is that I can write the pages without viewing or writing a single piece of HTML code - just as if I am producing a document in Word. I have it set to Design (bottom left) and only see HTML if I click on Code. Even clicking on code for my pages I don't see this 'webbot' anywhere at all :confused:

[busyglen]

Probably Mark and Neil can sort out your problems more easily Glenys, because they understand HTML, but I am a bit confused as to what you say about Front Page 2003. I can't say I've noticed any of these extra things you talk about, and part of the reason I use it is that I can write the pages without viewing or writing a single piece of HTML code - just as if I am producing a document in Word. I have it set to Design (bottom left) and only see HTML if I click on Code. Even clicking on code for my pages I don't see this 'webbot' anywhere at all :confused:

Don't worry about it Sue!

I don't look at the code either....I set it to design also and sail away quite happily. When I have a problem, I then click on code and look at it to see if I can spot what is wrong. Hence I looked at it when my photos didn't appear.

The only time I have seen the `webbot' code is on the page with my photos. I did do a `google' search for webbot, but it was so confusing and I didn't understand it...plus it didn't mention photos, so I gave up on that! I suspect that as you did your photos in a different way, the problem didn't arise. I also think that a lot of it is to do with the A* code interfering. Mark very kindly helped me when some of the pages weren't appearing properly in the tables after upload, and he stripped it out and just left my code in so that I could check what was wrong. After a lot of fiddling, I finally managed to get the pages right. THEN.....this problem with the photos reared it's head. One thing is for sure.....I will never use FP to do another site, or use A* Freepages. Mind you, I don't think I will ever do another website again! |banghead|

Glenys

[MarkJ]

The webbot thing is to do with the Photo Gallery part of the Front Page program Glenys.

I wonder if the program places the photos in the folders - on your computer - but, when you upload the page, the folders are not being uploaded too. That is how it appears Glen. I tried a few obvious tricks to try to get a picture to load up - but, despite my best efforts, I got nothing - so it does seem as though those folders were not uploaded automatically. Can you not try uploading the folder manually?

Mark

[busyglen]

I have just sent you a copy of a page from the manual (PDF) in case it explains a bit more.

I have tried up loading the gallery file, and also the real. file (which seem to contain the photos as well) but they still don't display.

I'll have another play around and see what happens.

Glen

[busyglen]

I have two manuals (both a bit different) but basically say the same.

One of the statements is: FP automatically saves the pictures with the Web page and copies the thumbnails and the full versions of the photos to the Web when you publish.

That's as far as it goes.

Will have another fiddle anyway and see what happens.

Glen

[Neil Wilson]

Sounds like there could be a upload problem here. Possibly that the files are being uploaded in a different format to what is required. There is Binary and ASCII mode, I use the FTP from FireFox and you can state which files you need to be ASCII, or you can use Automatic Mode which mine is generally on. This is accessed from the FTP's Tools/Options. Have a look at FP to see if there is anything similar in there and add your file extensions names to it, i.e. html, php or whatever.

[MarkJ]

Photos would be binary mode.

But I think I *might* have come up with a bit of a clue.

Glen is unable to upload the folder with the picture - so, I have been nosing around the website who host her site and I suspect she may have to manually create a folder on the webspace to acommodate the pictures....
Not sure if she is using FTP client or not or if there is some web-based thing. Anyway, hopefully tomorrow....

Mark :)

[arthurk]

I've never used FrontPage so can't help with that, but I do have a site at Rootsweb. When I first signed up I joined their freepages support mailing list, and I've just remembered that one of the issues which came up from time to time was that the site doesn't (or didn't then) support FP extensions. Now I haven't a clue what that means, but it's just occurred to me that it might be connected with the problems you're having. Maybe one of our resident experts might be able to comment.

Arthur

[MarkJ]

Cheers Arthur. Not being a FP person myself - nor a Rootsweb one - that is certainly a possibility! Glen is trying to upload some stuff done with the Photo Gallery tool from FP, which *may* be one of those extensions which don't work.
In the meantime, we have a couple more things to try - but that is another strong candidate for the answer!

Mark :)

[Mary Young]

Hi Sue
You won't see webbots unless you use FrontPage active content, such as Shared Borders, Navigation Bars, Forms, Includes, Timestamps etc.

[MarkJ]

Cor blimey! It is all very confusing this Front Page lark!
Thanks for the input Mary - it explains why Glen sees these webbot entires and Sue doesn't.

Mark

[Mary Young]

FrontPage photogallery rang a faint bell. Looking at my own web, I recall using it once in distant past http://cmy.iay.org.uk/edinburgh/botanics.htm
Quickly abandoned because FP sets up this ridiculous location for the images (why do we need a folder named "photo22311"?)
However, once Glenys creates the photogallery etc., shouldn't she only need the correct link to its index page (in my case, it's "real.htm"). The image paths should all be relative within that folder.
BTW most photo programs (e.g. PhotoShop Elements) can create web galleries where *you* control the final location of the files. You can choose to create the gallery within your FP web.
I'm now using JAlbum but it's not the simplest.
http://cmy.iay.org.uk/a-tongue/default.htm

[busyglen]

Thank you all very much for your help and support.

I now realise that it is a problem with FP and Rootsweb, and am looking at a couple of options to resolve this.

Thanks again.

Glenys