Cantrell family in Cheshire

[beachbaby]

Am trying to find family/lineage of Hannah Cantrell b. 30 Mar 1838 in Marston, Norwick, Cheshire (died 1928), daughter of Joseph Cantrell (b. abt 1804) and Elizabeth Norman (b. abt 1801). She married Alfred Bingley Outram (b. 1836 in Lancashire). Marriage took place at St. Marks, Manchester in 1860 (8c-618). Have been unable to come up with any other information about her parents or their family. Any ideas or info would be most welcome. Thanks in advance.

[Jan1954]

According to the IGI, Elizabeth Norman and Joseph Cantrill were married
20 MAY 1821 in Manchester Cathedral.

[beachbaby]

Thanks again. Don't know how I missed that one. Their marriage certificate would have the parents name on it, if I'm not incorrect. Perhaps I will see if I can get my hands on it. I would love to be able to trace them back further.

Again, mucho grass!

Teri

[Jan1954]

Hello Teri,

You will not be able to obtain a copy of their marriage certificate as civil registration did not start in England and Wales until 1st July 1837. Your best bet would be to catch sight of the parish records, to see if any extra information is held. Your local Family History Centre should be able to order in the microfilm for you.

Batch No: M005466
Dates: 1821 - 1823
Source Call No: 0438192
Type: Film
Printout Call No: 6900002

[Fiona67]

Hi Teri
Could this be Joseph? It is the 1841 Census but there is no Hannah

Name: Joseph Cantrell
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Great Budworth
Hundred: Bucklow
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address: Lion Garden

Occupation: Ag Labourer

Registration district: Northwich
Sub registration district: Northwich
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Cantrell 40
John Cantrell 11
Joseph Cantrell 40
Richard Cantrell 6

Regards
Fiona

[Fiona67]

Here is Hannah in the 1861 Census

Name: Hannah Outram
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alfred B
Gender: Female
Where born: Northwich, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Ardwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 3 Alma St Ardwick

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 233
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred B Outram 24
Alfred B Outram 11 Mo
Eliza B Outram 19
Hannah Outram 23

Regards
Fiona

[Fiona67]

Looks like Hannah had some siblings.......these were on the IGI


Richard <Candrell> - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 JUN 1834 Great Budworth, Cheshire, England

6. AMY CANTRILL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 SEP 1827 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

7. Hannah <Cantrel> - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 29 APR 1838 Great Budworth, Cheshire, England

9. SARAH CANTRELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 MAY 1823 Saint Thomas Ardwick, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Fiona

[Fiona67]

Also on the IGI

Joseph Cantrill Christening 2 Feb 1806 Manchester Lancashire (F Joseph Cantrill M. Elisabeth)

. WILLIAM CANTRELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 NOV 1800 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
. MARY ANN CANTRELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 MAR 1803 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Joseph Cantrill m Elizabeth Wynn 28 JAN 1798 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

I hope some of this helps in some way

Regards
Fiona

[beachbaby]

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Thanks so very much. The 1841 and 1861 census are indeed the Cantrells I'm interested in, I actually have seen those. In 1841 it is her family, but I don't know where she is. Am I correct in assuming that in the 1841 they rounded the ages up and down? :confused: I went and looked at that census and found in addition to my Cantrell that up above there is a listing for a Cattell (sic) at Forgeland (?) named Thomas (it actually looks like Cantrell more than anything) and I am going to look into that as a possible sibling for Hannah's father. In the 1861 census Hannah is living with her son Alfred and his family. The latest jag I have been on is trying to find when she died. I know she visited her son Frederick and my ggrandfather Richard in 1911, and I know she lived with the MacArthur family in Moss Lane till the end of her life, but cannot find any info after 1911. I would love to find the MacArthurs because according to the son they had the Outram Bible!!!! Wouldn't that be spendid!!! Any help would be wonderful.

I did not know the info about her siblings from the IGI (thank you Fiona) nor did I have her grandparents names (again, thank you Fiona). I am going to look at those files, since I would really like to see where the contribution came from (I'm hoping it's a completely different contributor than I'm thinking of). This, you know, just spreads more gasoline on the fire. I really thought I was getting close to the end - what a maroon!

An aside, I have had more information come in on my British roots from your group than I could have ever imagined. Again, thank you.

Teri

[Jan1954]

Am I correct in assuming that in the 1841 they rounded the ages up and down? :confused:
Usually down to the nearest 5 years. This applied to people aged 15 and over, so it can be worth while trying to track down a known child as the ages were more accurate.

However, some enumerators ignored this and recorded the actual ages that they had been told. :D

[beachbaby]

Marvy! Thanks, I had heard that somewhere, and that it pertained only to that census, but of course kept forgetting. It does explain a few discrepancies for me as to age (not that anyone ever lied about their ages!!!!!:D). It does help.

And to Fiona, I did check the IGI and you are correct again. The source was not who I feared, so we are good.|biggrin|

Teri

[Fiona67]

Hi Terri
I'm glad that I could help........there are Cantrell's & Cantrill's in Australia....I wonder if they connect to you

Regards
Fiona

[beachbaby]

I would assume, if they originated from Cheshire or the Manchester area that they probably are connected. The name in England doesn't seem to be extensive (sort of like having the name Smith or Jones) so it would be likely.
As it is I have connected with three different people back in Britain who are very distant relatives, but relatives all the same. Very nice.
Teri |wave|

[Fiona67]

Well in my husband's tree.......... Briers Scott Matthews m Anna E Cantrill in 1906 in Orange NSW Australia and they had a child Harold T Cantrill Matthews 1908 (d 1927) in Orange. Anna d 1908 & is buried in Molong Cemetery. Her death record on NSW bdm lists her parents as John Cantrill & Ellen. I don't know anything else about them ............ I just wondered if they connected with you at all

Regards
Fiona

[beachbaby]

:) Hmmmm, now I will have to look


If I find a connection that would be neat!

Teri