MALONEY, 1841 Census

[Lenore]

Hello folks,

Can anyone help me find a family in the 1841 Census in Middlesex? As far as I can work it out, the family would include:

? MALONEY (or Morloney, or any variation)
Hannah/Anne MALONEY aged about 42 born in Ireland
Mary Ann MILLER or MALONEY aged 16, born in Islington/Wapping
Ellen MALONEY, aged 1 year, born in Wapping

I found Hannah Morloney, Head, washerwoman, widow (52), Mary Ening, daughter (26), Ellen Morloney, daughter (11), AND John, son (8) at 16 Wapping Dock St, Wapping, in the 1851 Census.

The daughter Mary was more properly Mary Ann EYNON, who married in 1849, giving her father's name as John MILLER, dead. It appears that her mother had remarried after John Miller's death, and had been widowed again, with the younger two children being from the second marriage.

On Australian certificates Mary Ann said she was born in Islington, but she was just listed as Wapping in the 1851 Census like the other two children.

Any assistance gratefully received.

With thanks,

Lenore

PS - I'm off to the beach for a week, so please excuse any initial non-response.

[Lenore]

Hello folks,

Now that I've seen the 1841 Middlesex Index I can quite see why no-one has one at home. (Big set of fiche!) I located a copy at the Genealogical Society of Victoria Library and was able to view it yesterday. I was completely unable to identify Mary Ann Miller/Maloney, nor Hannah and Ellen Maloney, under any spelling variant - they might possibly be disguised as Mahony, Maroney or some other name - but I couldn't come up with a solution there either.

I have been trying hard to locate a birth record for the two children Ellen Maloney (born circa 1840) and John Maloney) born circa 1843 (according to their ages in the 1851 Census). (I'm searching for all possible variants, but I'll use Maloney for convenience)

Some while back I trawled through the GRO Indexes. I was surprised how few Maloneys there were registered in the Tower Hamlets area - I thought there would be heaps of Irish emigrants, but this didn't seem to be the case. Anyway, all I could find that looked possible were:

Ellen MULOWNEY, March Qtr 1840 Marylebone
Ellen MALONEY, March Quarter 1840 St Saviours
John MALONEY, March Quarter 1843 St Pancras

I actually expected to find dozens of candidates, so I suppose I'm lucky that there weren't, but of course I've no idea if I'm on the right trail. Keeping in mind that I'm seeking children who were alleged to have been born in Wapping, and were in fact living in Wapping Dock Street in 1851, are the above Registration Districts the sort of places I would expect to find the birth of these children? Of course I can't be sure what their situation was when their father was still alive, but in 1851 their mother was a washerwoman living in a crowded tenement with poorer working folk. I don't have a very good notion of the comparative socio-economic status of these places.

I think I'm going to have to take a punt on John Maloney in 1843. It's a long time since I've bought a certificate in England - what's the cheapest way of doing it these days?

Best wishes

Lenore Frost

[Pam Downes]

Hi Lenore,
If you have the 'full' GRO ref which is the Roman numerals followed by an 'English' number as well as the district, quarter and year and pay by plastic then you can apply online at
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/index.asp#0
You can convert the Roman numerals to an English number on the order form (and also check that WYSIW-you thought it-was) by checking the 'GRO volume' numbers against the relevant districts

If you don't have the full GRO ref then you can still order direct from the GRO, see
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/births/obtainingbirthcertificates/waystoapply.asp

I know that there are also companies in Australia (and the UK) which will order certificates for a reasonable fee. Sorry I can't be more explicit with names but I'm currently communicating via my son's computer - mine literally went bang before Christmas, recovered to a certain extent, but has now completely given up the ghost - so I can't supply any names. If you do use this method be VERY careful as there as some unscrupulous companies out there who will charge you GBP25.00 for a certificate that you can get direct from the GRO for less than half that price. What is worse is that some of the bad companies have a URL very similar to that of the GRO.

p.s. have just remembered one 'company' that is reasonable - Essex Society for Family History. Only trouble is that they say allow 6 weeks for delivery. Plus point is that they have special payment arrangements for people in Australia (and Canada) so could work out cheaper if you don't have plastic and would have to get a sterling cheque to pay the GRO.


Pam Downes

[Lenore]

Hi Pam,

Comparing Essex and the GRO online, it looks like the latter is the cheapest option. Now all I have to do is agonise over whether St Pancras is the way to go - I'll check the IGI first to see whether there's a Maloney family there that are, or possibly aren't, the right family.

With thanks,

Lenore Frost