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11-06-2008, 11:22 PM
Can anybody|help| please.
I am looking for the birth of my OH's grandfather James Strong in Northumberland.( we think)
The only information that we have about him is from his marriage certificate in Bury Lancs in 1919,
His age is given as 37 and profession is given as Butler.The address given is Leazes Hall Burnopfield Durham.
His father's name was also James Strong (deceased) Stableman.
There are so many James Strong's on the census in that area I'm finding it very hard to narrow it down. Although a lot of them do seem to be miners.
I thought a new pair of eyes might be able to help.
Thanks Jane. :confused:
12-06-2008, 6:32 AM
I looked on freebmd for James Strong b 1881-1883, and there are two in the North East area;
Jun 1882 Strong James Newcastle T 10b 86
Jun 1882 Strong James Auckland 10a 222
My bet is on the first one, because I had already found this James in 1881;
RG 11 5060/ 16 P2
Cloth Market, George Yard Over Warehouse, Newcastle on Tyne, St Nicholas, Northumberland.
James Hewit Strong head m 30 b Elswick Nbl Groom Huntsman
Elizabeth Strong wife m 28 b Felton Nbl
Henry Strong son 7 b Felton, scholar
William Strong son 2 b Newcastle on T
Jane Strong dau 9 months b N on T*
* Corresponding baptism on IGI; Jane Strong 07 Jul 1880 St Nicholas Newcastle. Parents James Strong and Elizabeth. I can't find any others though.
I don't actually have access to 1891, but I had a few units left on familyhistory online, and found James again, now a widower;
Old George Yard, St Nicholas, Newcastle
James Hewitt Strong head W 40 Ostler b Fawden, Northumberland.
The frustrating thing about this site, is it only brings up one individual at a time, and doesn't give you the whole household, you have to pay for each one. So I looked for James, and here he is, same address, but there will be others there, I'm sure;
James Strong son 8 b Newcastle on Tyne scholar
p.s. Leazes Hall is now a residential aged care home. There are photos, if you google it and then click on 'images'
12-06-2008, 6:57 AM
this looks like the marriage;
Mar 1877 Strong James Hewitt Newcastle T 10b 104
(and on the same page Elizabeth Fenwick)
I'd say Henry is a child from a previous marriage, probably Elizabeth's, as he is b in Felton.
12-06-2008, 7:02 AM
and Elizabeths death:
Sep 1887 Strong Elizabeth 34 Newcastle T 10b 61
So James would have been five when his mother died, poor little fellow!
12-06-2008, 7:30 AM
Hi Jane and Birdlip, this is what the actual 1891 census says:
Address: Old Geo Yard, St Nicholas, Newcastle on Tyne.
James (name illegible) head, widower, age 40, Ostler, born Nthumberland, Fawdon
Jane Strong daur, age 40, (refer next post) born Newcastle-on-Tyne
James Strong, son, age 8, born Newcastle-on-Tyne
Also in household:
Henry Fenwick, stepson, age 17, occupation unclear, born Felton, Nthumberland
Elizabeth Wilkinson, servant, widow, age 49, born Durham
12-06-2008, 7:42 AM
With reference to the last post, (1891 census) I am thinking that Jane's age is a bit off the mark. The A******y transcription says age 60, I looked and thought 40, but on closer inspection it is 10, which I think fits with the earlier census.
12-06-2008, 8:04 AM
Thank you Michael!!
Looks like that guess about Henry works out, as he is calling himself Fenwick in 1891, which was Elizabeth's name at her marriage. I wonder where William went to.. he would have only been 12, but I suppose he is off working somewhere? I hope he didn't die young, I'll have a look.
12-06-2008, 8:09 AM
Oh dear, it looks like he died before James was even born;
Sep 1881 Strong William 3 Newcastle T 10b 59
12-06-2008, 8:33 AM
Here they are in 1851:
1851 Census, Clinch nr Fawdon, Northumberland
William Strong, head, married, age 30, Husbandman, born Edlingham, Northumberland
Jane Strong, wife, age 29, born Ford, Northumberland
George Strong, son, age 5, scholar, born Ingram, Northumberland
Mary Strong, daur, age 2, at home, born Ingram, Northumberland
James Ht Strong, son, age 4 mths, at home, born Ingram, Northumberland
Two birth Registrations for James Hewitt Strong, first Dec Qtr 1849 (followed by death reg Dec Qtr 1849), then Birth Dec Qtr 1850, all in Glendale Reg District, Northumberland (contains Ford, Clinch, Fawdon and Ingram).
12-06-2008, 8:45 AM
1841 census, Low Hedgly, Edlingham, Northumberland.
George Strong, age 45, Ag Lab, born in Northumberland
Isabella Strong, age 40, born in Northumberland
William Strong, age 20, Ag Lab, born in Northumberland
Dorothy Strong, age 15
George Strong, age 13, born in Northumberland
Eleanor Strong, age 10, born in Northumberland
James Strong, age 7, born in Northumberland
Martha Strong, age 4, born in Northumberland
Luke Strong, age 2 mths, born in Northumberland
12-06-2008, 9:47 AM
Hi ..not sure if you need the 1901 census.
RG 131/4843 Folio 67 Page 10
3 Preston Tower Cottages
William Armstrong 64 Head born Nth Sunderland Northumberland
occupation House Carpentry
Jane Armstrong 50 born Hornecliffe, Northumberland
James Strong 18 Boarder born Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland
Occupation for James is shown as domestic gardener.
Actually there is a "Big House" next on list called Preston Tower so obviously all the cottages were housing servants and that is why James is boarding there. Maybe that is where he graduated to Butler training.
12-06-2008, 11:19 AM
Thank you Michael , birdlip and Dargie .|jumphappy
I go to bed and just look at all the info you have given me.
I had looked at the James Hewit Strong on the census before but wasn't to sure
about the middle name. I think you have hit the nail on the head though .
I have now found the marriage of William Strong and Jane Hewitt 1845 Rothbury Northumberland.
This side of the family has always been a brickwall |banghead| so at last it looks like I can take it a bit further back.
Thank you all once again. |bowdown||bowdown||bowdown|
12-06-2008, 12:06 PM
... go the Aussies eh?
Good luck with all of it anyway, and do let us know how you get on, won't you?
12-06-2008, 12:31 PM
We ain't done yet - George Strong married Isabella Mattison 5th May 1816 05 MAY 1816 Eglingham, Northumberland, England. This is from the IGI, parish record extract, so should be reliable.
The place name of Eglingham made me check the 1841 census again, and I should have written Eglingham, not Edlingham which is about 10 kms further south.
12-06-2008, 1:20 PM
More census stuff:
Residence Cottage House, Ingram, Northumberland
William Strong, head, married, age 41, Ag Lab born Bolton, Northumberland
Jane Strong, wife, age 39, born Ford, Northumberland
Geo Strong, son, age 15, Ag Lab, born Ingram, Northumberland
Mary Strong, daur, age 12, Scholar, born Ingram, Northumberland
JAMES H STRONG, age 10, Scholar, born Ingram, Northumberland
Isabella Strong, age 7, Scholar, born Ingram, Northumberland
William Strong, age 5, Scholar, born Ingram, Northumberland
Jane Ann Strong, age 1, Scholar, born Ingram, Northumberland
Residence, Fawdon, Northumberland
William Strong, head, married, age 50, Farm Servant, born Bolton, Wood Hall, Northumberland
Wife absent, visiting
Mary Strong, daur, age 32, field worker, born Clinch, Northumberland
JAMES STRONG, son, age 20, Grocer (?), born Clinch, Northumberland
Isabella Strong, daur, age 17, born Clinch, Northumberland
Jane Ann Strong, daur, age 11, scholar, born Fawdon, Northumberland
Wife Jane is in West Bolton visiting Luke Strong, Williams brother, and his wife Isabella, and their father George now aged 77.
12-06-2008, 2:26 PM
Only just checked back with the forum. Been very busy checking all the details through. Have found the marriage of George Strong & Isabella Mattison 1816 .So far found I've found 7 children for them and some of the childrens marriages etc.
Thanks again for all your help. :)
13-06-2008, 12:35 AM
It was Michael and Birdlip who did the "clever" parts!!:D
However I still have a sub to a.....y so if you would like to know anything about James's wife as shown on the marriage certificate, or anyone else, let us know.
Michael, just wondering if you think that the occupation for James in 1871 could be... groom? Just a thought, it is very hard to read.
Cheers and good luck
13-06-2008, 12:44 AM
Hi Dargie - yes, of course it is GROOM!!! How blind can someone go after hours in front of a computer???
13-06-2008, 11:08 AM
If you could let me know anything about Jame's wife I would be very grateful.
13-06-2008, 2:14 PM
Sure Jane, I have quite a good read out on Elizabeth Fenwicks parents and siblings back to 1841.
I will grab some|snore||snore|and write it up in the morning, if I try to do it now it will be a disaster! It is after 11pm and not my brightest hour!
If you have the name of the wife of young James ( from marriage certificate) I will give that a go tomorrow also.
14-06-2008, 4:55 AM
Elizabeth is a servant in the home of Edward D Hedley, General practitioner.
Thomas Fenwick head born 1809 Shilbottle, Northumberland ,Farm Lab.
Jane wife born 1813 Alnham Northumberland
Barbara dau 25 born Felton
Edward son 21 occupation stone mason
Mary dau 15 occupation dressmaker
Elizabeth dau 8
Thomas son 6
John grandson 2
Thomas grandson 1
William grandson 3 months
Elizabeth Adler niece 13
all children born in Felton
Thomas Fenwick Head 42 Farm Labourer
Jane wife 38
Edward son 9
Frances dau 9
Barbara dau 15
Mary dau 5
Elizabeth Adler niece 5
HO 107 Piece 830 Book 3
Thomas Fenwick 33
Looks as if you may find a few child deaths on BMD eg Alice and Frances and Jane unless they turn up somewhere else.
I followed Thomas and Jane through after 1861 and this is what i came up with.
Living at Gas Works Felton !!
Thomas Fenwick 28 Head Occupation Gas Maker That IS what it says!!|blush|
Unfortunately the Gas must have been too much for Thomas as there is a death for him in Jun 1879 aged 70 in Alnwick (Felton) 10b 223
Jane G Fenwick 69 Mother in Law
George Wilson 53 Head Insurance agent
Mary Wilson 35 wife
JAne " 8 dau
John " 6 son
Thomas 4 "
Mary 1 dau
Street address White House Yard, Bedlington, Northumberland.
Death of Jane June 1882 aged 61 Alnwick 10b 203
Ther appears to be a lot of scope for further research here!!
Now who belonged to Elizabeth Adler the niece!
And who owned the grandchildren.
Looks like some fun ahead, good luck
16-06-2008, 10:12 PM
Sorry only just checked back.I own a pub so don't get much free time at weekends.
Wow Dargie!!!!!!, looks like I've got my work cut out now :D. As you said loads more scope for research now. Should keep me out of mischief for a while .|biggrin|
17-06-2008, 1:13 AM
Good Luck with the research!
I have just noticed that I did not enter the birth place of Elizabeth Adler, the niece. Sorry!:o
She was born in Newcastle on Tyne which may help you track down her parents.
Also all the children were born in Felton, however Thomas the eldest grandson was also listed born, in Rothbury, This may also be a clue in tracing his parents.
17-06-2008, 12:53 PM
Thanks for all your help.
I have managed to track down Jane, she is the mother of the grandson Thomas Fenwick. Also Frances, her husband and children .Just working on them and also trying to find Alice after 1851.
Should keep me busy for a while.
17-06-2008, 1:07 PM
Looks like you are gaining a lot of ground with this Fenwick family!:)
I enjoyed getting to know them, if only just a little!
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