Detnon

[stephvincent]

Hi I have people by the surname of "Detnon" but the trail cuts off on Albert Detnon who died in 1909, but does not seem to have a birth certificate :confused: ? I think it may be a corruption of another name, but not sure. Does anyone have any ideas what I should do? Thanks
xx Steph xx

[salcat]

Can you tell us where he was born/lived/died? That helps narrow down the possibilities. :)

Have you found him in the censuses?

regs Sally

[Jan1954]

Hello Steph,

Some questions:

Where geographically are we looking for Albert?

Did he marry?

If so, do you have the name of his father?

How old was he when he died?

Any other information such as census entries?

Provide as much of the above as possible and we'll have a hunt for him.

Edit: great minds think alike, Sally!

[salcat]

Snap!! :)

[stephvincent]

Age on death certificate is 58 years (so born sometime around 1851)

Died 5/06/1909 - Royal Albert Dock - North Woolwich - found drowned

Albert married Louisa Young 10/12/1881 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex

On Marriage certificate names father as "Benjamin Detnon" - deceased at time of marriage.

I have found him on the census' after his marriage to Louisa, they had 10 children;
Florence
Ellen
Charles
Albert
Alfred
Mary Ann
George
Hannah
Thomas
Louisa
(Those arent in order by the way!!I know all about these, it's just their father I have no info on!!)

Area of residence in 1901 census is West Ham, Essex, where they also misread the name as "Debrow"

Thanks
Steph

[stephvincent]

That is they misread his name on another site and put it down wrong.xx

[Jan1954]

Right.

I've had a look through the GRO from January 1851 to December 1852 and can find no-one with the name of Detnon. Maybe someone else may be able to see one.

I see from the 1901 census that he was recorded as having been born in Mile End. The Mile End Old Town registration district did not come into being until 1857 so the area was, I believe, covered by Stepney. I did find a couple of DETTMAN and DETMAN names recorded in Stepney, however your Albert was not amongst them.

It may be that his birth was either not registered or that it was under yet another spelling...

Back to the drawing board...

[stephvincent]

Thanks for your help Jan, I know its so frustrating!
I'll keep looking and trying!!
Steph
x

[salcat]

There's an Albert Denton b Sep q 1850 in Hackney, which is not that far away
ref Hackney 3 198

Have you found Albert in earlier censuses? Does he always say he's born in Mile End?

[stephvincent]

1881 Census - born in Mile End Old Town, that's all i've found i think, or that one and the 1901 I have printed off in my folder!
Yeah I'm beginning to think it was Denton and got mispelt or misheard along the way somewhere, good thing is from then on, all the Detnon's born post 1860 that I've ever found belong in my tree!:)
Thanks for time and help
Steph
xx

[Jan1954]

I've seen him in 1891 and he was born Mile End then. However, his year of birth was put at 1854 in that one :confused:

However, we all know how accurate the censuses were... :D

[stephvincent]

True, true! I think I have that 1 saved in one of my many family tree files stashed on my computer, ill have to dig around for it!
Thanks
Steph

[salcat]

I haven't found Arthur in earlier years, but found these in the right sort of area

1861

Mary Ann Detnon, Head, wid, 71, laundress, b Clerkenwell
Mary Ann Elvin, Dau, wid, 40, silk weaveress, b Christchurch, Middlesex
Charles Elvin, son, 8, scholar, b Christchurch, Middlesex
Jane Elvin, dau, 10, scholar, b Christchurch, Middlesex

living in Spitalfields, ref RG9 piece 265 fol 53 p4

and 1851

James Detnon, head, mar,71 Handloom weaver (silk),b Bethnal Green
Mary Ann Detnon, wife, mar, 62, Handloom weaver (silk), b Clerkenwell
John Detnon, grandson, 4, scholar, b Spitalfields

living in Stepney, ref HO107, piece 1544 fol 324 p36

Could John be Arthur's brother? (or a cousin I suppose)

These are the only Detnon's who come up with that spelling in the whole of the A***Y transcription. (but we know how wrong they can be:))

[Davran]

The IGI has a few DETENON (and variations), including the wonderfully named All Saints DETENON - bet he loved his parents. These appear to be French Huguenots. Possibly your DETNON is a derivation of the French name?

There is a family of DETENON in Mile End in 1871
RG10; Piece: 515; Folio: 47; Page: 24

[salcat]

Must admit the thought had crossed my mind too, when I found silk weavers in Spitalfields:) But I couldn't think what the original could have been.

[Peter Goodey]

I did some work for a friend several months ago and one of the names in her tree turned out to be DETENON - a Huguenot family who were silk weavers in Spitalfields.

The Mary Ann ELVIN mentioned earlier was certainly a DETENON.

I corresponded with someone who was researching DETNON and as I recall it, it was believed, but without proof at that time, that DETNON was a corruption of DETENON. Try saying DETENON in the appropriate accent!

I'd have to look out the correspondence.

[Peter Goodey]

the wonderfully named All Saints DETENON - bet he loved his parents.

All Saints is simply a literal translation of Toussaint. La Toussaint is All Saints Day.

And you must have heard of Toussaint l'Ouverture? Or the musician Allen Toussaint?

[stephvincent]

Hi guys, thank you so much for all your help! I really appreciate it! Hope your all enjoying the sunshine!! I have seen those DETENON's before and also wondered whether the "e" got dropped along the way, I'll keep searching!! Thanks once again!!
Steph
xxx:)xxx