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Peter_uk_can
24-03-2008, 07:51 PM
I know that many of us knock the quality of some transcriptions and is there any wonder ....

My own side of the family was well researched many years back, when we would trawl through huge dusty volumes and request census copies so I have not used "Alchemy.com" to revist these...... that is until this last weekend.

I received an e-mail from a "new" relative who had found my name via Google.

They could not understand why my great grandfather and family were missing from the 1901 census.
I was tempted to send back a reply in the vein "they can't be missing because I have a copy in my files. In fact I have copies of census's with all the family going back to 1841." but played a hunch and logged into the much loved website. I keyed in the surname, selected 1901 and hit "search".

To my surprise, the family have vanished... I tried a few variations and then went for the given names of the head and his spouse. If like magic they appeared in the list, however the surname was *****jann.

So I hit the "view original" and straight away could see the problem.

Henry Charles ****** Jnr was transcribed as Henry Charles *******jann.

I spent several hours going over all the various census returns, of the 36 that I looked at, 19 of them had transcription errors.

Now ,I know, and I know that many folk know, that the internal search mechanism of our beloved "Alchemy.com" uses the words in the transcriptions and not the text of the original documents. However I am sure that this may not be obvious to those just starting out.

This last weekend, I found ancestors from Guernsey who were listed as been born in Germany. The town of St Helier written as Sheila. Abbreviation Jnr that appears as the surname "Jann" and Bellavista transcribed as Brickesta.

So.. if there is a moral, then it has to be. If you cannot find any justifiable reason why somemone is missing, try different approaches. such as combinations of given names combined with the area they might have lived in. Don't stick with the exact spelling and perhaps go back to where they were last seen and run a search using their previous neighbors, in fact get imaginative and don't assume that the only answer is that they were taken by aliens.

Now who the heck was "Piliteas Hukiel" ??, because I can't read it any better myself....;)

Jan1954
24-03-2008, 07:55 PM
Lateral thinking rules OK :D

Peter_uk_can
24-03-2008, 08:01 PM
Lateral thinking rules OK :D

Or is it literally thanking roles.....:D:D:D:D

Diane Grant-Salmon
24-03-2008, 08:10 PM
It's a long time ago now, so I can't remember which census return it was, but I was looking for Robert HONNIBALL who was born in Somerset.

No result for the full name, no result using wildcards with both names e.g. Rob* and Hon* and the usual variations of *Han* Hun* Hou* so I tried the forename, birthyear within 2 years and Somerset ...... nothing!

He turned up as:

FLONIBALL born in Somalia ....... when I was looking for a surname beginning with F. ;)

Peter_uk_can
24-03-2008, 08:39 PM
Diane.. There can often be problems with F in Surnames |blush|

Mutley
25-03-2008, 12:51 AM
When trawling the census originals I passed by a young lady whose place of birth was given as "in my brother's house"

Maybe our lateral thinking should extend, for place of birth, to:

Home
Hospital
Gooseberry Bush :D

busyglen
25-03-2008, 11:23 AM
The one that stands out for me was " shed in wood" as place of birth.

Glenys

Peter_uk_can
25-03-2008, 01:37 PM
Who was that Glenys, Robin of Locks key ? :)

busyglen
25-03-2008, 01:39 PM
Who was that Glenys, Robin of Locks key ? :)

I like it! :D

Glenys

Diane Grant-Salmon
25-03-2008, 08:18 PM
Who was that Glenys, Robin of Locks key ? :)

Oh Peter ..... you are a caution! :)
Did your Parents used to say that to you as well, seeing as you're a Yorkshire lad?

Peter_uk_can
25-03-2008, 08:45 PM
Diane, I don't remember my parents using the word caution in that sense, but my Dad used to tell me that if I wasn't in bed my midnight, I should come back home. ;)

Pam Downes
25-03-2008, 11:42 PM
I can't remember which census it was now (should have made a note, because this place of birth is a classic), nor unfortunately the precise street, but it went something like 'WC Strand London'.

What they meant of course was 'Strand London WC' as in West Central, the postal division of the time.

Just checked the 1861 census - 45 people born in WC's - one of them in Africa no less! Lots more on the 1871 and 1881 census.
Pam

Mutley
25-03-2008, 11:48 PM
Just checked the 1861 census - 45 people born in WC's - one of them in Africa no less! Lots more on the 1871 and 1881 census.
Pam

a To*let or not To*let, that is the question:)

Peter_uk_can
26-03-2008, 06:38 PM
In todays' little foray into the past I found Philip Rive, who was hiding in the translation as Philip Rine Sen. Sen being the translation of Snr.

Come on guys it is Genealogy not Cryptology, if it says Jnr next to his son wouldn't Snr be a safer bet.

They have the lovely De St Croix children as Destcroif and I know Henry may be "Honey" to his wife, but in the 1850's !!

Ah well back to the trawling. There are only 1487 more entries in which I expect to find my Amelia.

Byee for now...|wave|

Diane Grant-Salmon
26-03-2008, 08:03 PM
Ah well back to the trawling. There are only 1487 more entries in which I expect to find my Amelia.

Byee for now...|wave|

Fingers crossed Peter, that you find her before the 1487th. entry! :D

Peter_uk_can
27-03-2008, 05:50 PM
Here we have little Frank Ayers, age 14. One of Rowland and Sarah's beloved children I am sure.

RG13/5319 Page 20 1901 Channel Island census.

Come on Ancestry !!!! Surely you can do better than this. |scold|

Wank Ayers
Parents Rowland,Sarah. Born abt 1887 St Peter, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son St Peter Port, Guernsey

v.wells
27-03-2008, 06:58 PM
Here we have little Frank Ayers, age 14. One of Rowland and Sarah's beloved children I am sure.

RG13/5319 Page 20 1901 Channel Island census.

Come on Ancestry !!!! Surely you can do better than this. |scold|

Wank Ayers
Parents Rowland,Sarah. Born abt 1887 St Peter, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son St Peter Port, Guernsey

Peter, they probably don't pay enough money for proofreaders:D