Byrne - Birkenhead

[mweidin]

I am looking for any information on William Byrne who lived in Birkenhead England from about 1895 to his death in 1912. (Not sure of his DOB, but guessing in the 1870s) When he died he left a wife and 5 children, but none were named in the obit. At the time of his death he lived at 22 Beverly Road and was buried in the Birkenhead cemetery
in a private grave. I would appreciate any info someone may find in their resources.

[silvery]

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[silvery]

Cheshirebmd has no William Byrne death for that year in Wirral.

[silvery]

There's nothing for ten years either side in Wirral for William Byrne. Have you gto the names of his wife and the children. Will try and find them on the 1901 census to get some further details.

do you have the death certificate?

[mweidin]

His father(James Owen Byrne) and mother (Mary Theresa Taffe) were married in Sheffield on July 15, 1868. James was in the Army (2/24 foot) until August 1877 and then took his family home to Wicklow County. The Roll of the Married Establishment shows that by March 1877, he had 4 children aged 6years and 4 months; 4 years and 5 months; 1 year and 3 months and one month. The names are not given, but I know one is William. I'm just guessing that Mary stayed in Sheffield until they went to Ireland, and that is where William was born. (But that's just a guess)

[silvery]

Will see if I can find them 1871. Have you got the names of William's wife and children for the 1901 census?

[mweidin]

William's siblings were-
Alice, Katherine, Laverne, Agnes, Theresa, James, Sara, Gertrude,

[mweidin]

The info I have came from his obituary so I guess it's possible that there's an error in it. Does anyone know if the 22 Beverly Road is a Birkenhead address ?

[Wirral]

Cheshirebmd has no William Byrne death for that year in Wirral.
CheshireBMD deaths only go up to 1901 for Wirral. Later ones haven't been indexed yet.

[silvery]

Well ancestry has gone off for the time being so there's not a lot I can have a look for. Cannot find a marriage just yet for James Byrne and Mary Theresa Taffe.

Does the obituary say the name of William's wife?

[Jan1954]

I have found only 2 deaths for that area(ish) in 1922:

Mar Q 1922 Byrne William 35 Liverpool 8b 10
Sep Q 1922 Byrne William F 70 Birkenhead 8a 530

There was a third but he was aged only one, so I discounted it.

[silvery]

oh thanks Wirral, I hadn't checked that out. |oopsredfa

so that's why.

[Wirral]

Beverley Road is in New Ferry, just to the south end of Birkenhead. It comes under the Birkenhead registration district. The death that Jan found is likely to be the one.

[mweidin]

Sorry.. It should have been 1912 (not 1922) for his Date of Death.

[Jan1954]

Sorry.. It should have been 1912 (not 1922) for his Date of Death.

Aaaargh!!

Meanwhile, just to muddy the waters, the marriage of James and Mary is recorded thus:

Marriages Sep 1868
O'Byrne James Sheffield 9c 537
Taffe Mary Sheffield 9c 537

[Jan1954]

So....

Deaths Dec Q 1912
BYRNE William H L 41 Wirral 8a 485

Could not see one for O'Byrne

[silvery]

Don't you know it. I deleted my first message because I had put in the 1912 date!!!!!

Dec 1912 Wirral 8a/485
William H L Byrne

[Jan1954]

Don't you know it. I deleted my first message because I had put in the 1912 date!!!!!

Dec 1912 Wirral 8a/485
William H L Byrne

Great minds think alike :D

[mweidin]

And I edited my original , changing the 1912 to 1922. A brain freeze on my part. I'm sorry for the effort put into searching the 1922 date. I think you've got it though. I'm trying to come up with his children names. I beleive that one of them hosted my father when he was recovering from being wounded at DDay.

[Jan1954]

Right. If you think this is he, order the death certificate. This may be done online from the GRO at:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ follow the links on the right-hand side.

It will have the name of who registered the death and, with any luck, will be a member of the family.

[mweidin]

I have found only 2 deaths for that area(ish) in 1922:

Mar Q 1922 Byrne William 35 Liverpool 8b 10
Sep Q 1922 Byrne William F 70 Birkenhead 8a 530

There was a third but he was aged only one, so I discounted it.

Aaaargh!!

Meanwhile, just to muddy the waters, the marriage of James and Mary is recorded thus:

Marriages Sep 1868
O'Byrne James Sheffield 9c 537
Taffe Mary Sheffield 9c 537

I do have a copy of the marriage certificate. It's James O. (Owen) Byrne. (I won't tell you how long that one had me going until I got the copy)

[Jan1954]

I do have a copy of the marriage certificate. It's James O. (Owen) Byrne. (I won't tell you how long that one had me going until I got the copy)

Thank goodness for that! http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee187/Jan_07/phew.gif

[silvery]

Just trying to be helpful here -

ordering the gro cert

register
first page answer question 3 and then 'Is the General Office Index known ?' answer Yes

Next page delivery details

Third page Just fill in the bits with a red star to them.

hope this helps. Know some have difficulty with this, so hope you don't mind.

[mweidin]

Thanks. I appreciate the help and will send for a death certificate now.

[Jan1954]

Have just found the following for William, but there are more than just this one:

50 Payson (?) Street, Birkenhead
William Byrne, Head, Mar, 30, Labourer, b Birkenhead, Cheshire
Maria Byrne, 30, b Burnley, Lancashire
Michael Byrne, 10, b Birkenhead, Cheshire
Ellen Byrne, 8, b Birkenhead, Cheshire
Luke Byrne, 3, b Birkenhead, Cheshire
Mary Byrne, 1, b Birkenhead, Cheshire

RG13/3391/48/19

See if any of the above names turn up on the death certificate and we'll know we're on the right lines.

[Wirral]

A possible marriage & child:
William Henry Lewis BYRNE married Margaret Elizabeth CROSS in 1902 Birkenhead Civil Ceremony ( from www.cheshirebmd.org.uk (http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk) )

Robert G. BYRNE born Sep 1912 Wirral registration 8a 779, mother CROSS.

[mweidin]

Thanks.. I just sent for the death certificate (it was easy with the info you had provided) I appreciate all the help. (On to Bolton, that's where his sister Katherine moved to from Wicklow)

[Wirral]

In 1911, William was living at 22 Beverley Road, New Ferry and he was a barman.

[mweidin]

In 1911, William was living at 22 Beverley Road, New Ferry and he was a barman.

Cool..

[mweidin]

So....

Deaths Dec Q 1912
BYRNE William H L 41 Wirral 8a 485

Could not see one for O'Byrne

The death notice says he died 13 October 1912 at age 42 and was burried in Birkenhead on the 16th. His name is shown as William H. (Willie) Byrne. Does the Dec Q just mean it was in the 4th quarter of the year ?

Maggie

[Jan1954]

Yes:
Q1 = Jan to Mar
Q2 = Apr to June
Q3 = Jul to Sep
Q4 = Oct to Dec

So, it looks like this may be he.

[mweidin]

Yes:
Q1 = Jan to Mar
Q2 = Apr to June
Q3 = Jul to Sep
Q4 = Oct to Dec

So, it looks like this may be he.

I agree. It's a great start and now I also have his marriage
and also potentially 1 of his children. Thank you all for your great help !