Childs/Woods before 1901 help

[nixon1951]

Hi im mike and im new to genealogy site could do with some advice please.

I am resurching the names Childs/Woods in the london area.
the only info I have is
Dorreen Childs born 1939 kingbury london ,died 1979 in nw london brent .daughter
Bertrum childs born 1901 islington london died in nov 1977, in nw london brent farther.
Ethel d Childs nee woods 1901. died ? ,nw london brent, mother.
they were married in willesden in 1922. burried in willesden cemertory london.

bertrum childs mother was called hephzibah childs but I cannot find any reference to her in the willesden area of london I know she died in this area as she is burried in willesden cemertory as is the rest of the family I think hephzibah was living in islington when she gave birth to bertrum childs.

any help on what directoin to go in would be a great help
thanks mike

[Jan1954]

Hello Mike and welcome to Brit-Gen |wave|

Have a good wander round the boards and post your queries on the appropriate ones. I'm sure that people will be able to offer advice.

Have fun,

[Jan1954]

I think hephzibah was living in islington when she gave birth to bertrum childs.


Bertram's birth certificate should provide some clues. It should provide the address of where he was born - at least a general clue - as well as details about Hephzibah.

If you don't have it already, it can be ordered online from the GRO here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

You will need the reference, which is below:

Births Jun 1901
CHILDS Bertram Charles Islington 1b 210

Good luck,

[Jan1954]

Have just found this in the 1901 census:

29 Davenant Road, Islington, Upper Holloway, London

Harry Childs, Head, married, 27, Furniture Porter, b Chalvey, Bucks
Hephzibah Childs, Wife, married, 29, b Flaunden, Bucks
Florence Childs, dau, 3, b Islington
William Childs, son, 1, b Islington

They also have a visitor:
Mary Street, unmarried, 28, b High-Ham, Somerset

Hope this helps,

[nixon1951]

hi lan1954
thanks for the info
I also have found

29 Davenant Road, Islington, Upper Holloway, London

Harry Childs, Head, married, 27, Furniture Porter, b Chalvey, Bucks
Hephzibah Childs, Wife, married, 29, b Flaunden, Bucks
Florence Childs, dau, 3, b Islington
William Childs, son, 1, b Islington

on the 1901 cencus but i dont think they are the right people
as it should show bertrun childs at the address and he is not on it as he was born then. his birth date was 30.4.1901.

[Bo Peep]

Hello Mike and welcome to the Brit Gen forum. I am delighted you have joined us and wish you every success with your research.

I see that Jan is already helping you so I shall leave you in her care.

[Jan1954]

1891:

2 St Leonards Villa, Brownlow Road, Willesden, Middlesex

William Childs, Head, Mar, 49, Carpenter & Joiner, b Eton, Bucks
Harriet M Childs, Wife, Mar, 49, b Stowmarket, Suffolk
Frederick Childs, son, unmar, 20, Tailor, b Chalvey, Bucks
Harry Childs, son, unmar, 15, Locomotive Engine Maker's Apprentice, b Chalvey, Bucks
Charles Childs, son, 11, Scholar, b Chalvey, Bucks
George Childs, son, 8, Scholar, b Chalvey, Bucks


1881:

7 Eliza Place, Upton-cum-Chalvey, Bucks

William Childs, Head, Mar, 39, Carpenter, b Eton, Bucks
Harriet Childs, Wife, Mar, 39, b Stowmarket, Suffolk
William Childs, son, unmar, 14, Carpenter (also added Farmer's son)
Fred Childs, son, 10, Scholar, b Chalvey, Bucks
Martha Childs, dau, 7, Scholar, b Chalvey, Bucks
Harry Childs, son, 5, Scholar, b Chalvey, Bucks
Charles Childs, son, 1, b Chalvey, Bucks

And to round it off:

Births Jun 1875
Childs Henry Eton 3a 465

[Jan1954]

on the 1901 cencus but i dont think they are the right people
as it should show bertrun childs at the address and he is not on it as he was born then. his birth date was 30.4.1901.

Sorry Mike - he just missed it if he was born 30 April 1901 as the census was taken 31 March 1901

However, how many Hephzibah Childs would have been in Islington at this time? She was the only one that I found, although Hephzibah was a relatively popular name of the time.

Get a copy of Bertram's birth certificate and it should answer the question.

[nixon1951]

thank you jan1954

just spoke to my fatherinlaw dorreen childs husband on the phone

re:They also have a visitor:
Mary Street, unmarried, 28, b High-Ham, Somerset

I have just found out bertrums father moved to somerset

might be on the right track lets hope

thanks mike

[Jan1954]

Let us all know how you get on.

Good luck,

[nixon1951]

thanks for all your help

I now have a massive head ache lol

on trying to find re 1901 census
Harry Childs, Head, married, 27, Furniture Porter, b Chalvey, Bucks
Hephzibah Childs, Wife, married, 29, b Flaunden, Bucks

when they got married ?

I know in 1901 there age was 27/29 so i estimate they got married between 1890 and 1900 as in 1890 they were 17/19 and would have had their first child around 1900 so it seems a good idea to be married before having children i hope.

but i cannot find any harry childs married to a hephzibah dont know maden name? between 1890 and 1900. aaahhhhhhhh

thanks mike

[Jan1954]

|hug| Let me mop your fevered brow...

Could this be them?

Marriages Dec 1896
CHILDS Harry Hendon 3a 342
Geary Hephzibah Hendon 3a 342
Holman Mary Ann Hendon 3a 342
WHITEMAN George Henry Hendon 3a 342

If you order the certificate to find out, I would advise just putting Harry's name down - just in case he ended up married to Mary Ann Holman (but I doubt it)

[Jan1954]

1891:

74 West End Lane, Hampstead, London

Lewis Spain, Head, Mar, 69, Living on own means, b Marylebone, London
Mary A Spain, Wife, Mar, 59, b N/K
Arthur Spain, son, 23, b Marylebone, London
Flora Spain, dau, 24, b Marylebone, London
Agnes M Spain, dau, 23, b Marylebone, London
Matilde Poskey, servant, 41, Domestic, b Bethnal Green, London
Hephzibah Geary, servant, 20, Domestic, b Flaunden, Bucks
Mary A Street, servant, 19, Domestic, b Higham, Somerset

Well, I reckon this is she as Mary A Street (as found in 1901 as a visitor) is working in the same household


1881:

3 Moon Lane, Sarratt, Hertfordshire

Charles Geary, Head, Mar, 51 (the age has been obliterated), Ag Lab, b Flaunden, Hertfordshire
Mary Geary, wife, 41, Laundress, b Flaunden, Hertfordshire
Elizabeth Geary, dau, 23, Straw Plaiter, b Flaunden, Hertfordshire
George C Geary, son, 12, Ag Lab, b Flaunden, Hertfordshire
Hephzibah Geary , dau, 9, scholar, b Flaunden, Hertfordshire

When I saw Flaunden first written as being in Bucks, I wondered. The only Flaunden that I know of is in Hertfordshire - not that far away from me.

Anyway, I hope this all helps,

[nixon1951]

just an update on what i have found out

hephzibar childs born 24.12.1871 mothers name geary
married a harry childs on 25.12.1896
children i think sarah and louise and (bertrum )born after the 1901 census 30.4.1901.

[nixon1951]

jan1954

re:
74 West End Lane, Hampstead, London

Lewis Spain, Head, Mar, 69, Living on own means, b Marylebone, London
Mary A Spain, Wife, Mar, 59, b N/K
Arthur Spain, son, 23, b Marylebone, London
Flora Spain, dau, 24, b Marylebone, London
Agnes M Spain, dau, 23, b Marylebone, London
Matilde Poskey, servant, 41, Domestic, b Bethnal Green, London
Hephzibah Geary, servant, 20, Domestic, b Flaunden, Bucks
Mary A Street, servant, 19, Domestic, b Higham, Somerset

Well, I reckon this is she as Mary A Street (as found in 1901 as a visitor) is working in the same household

Mary A street was infact Mary A Skeet

[Jan1954]

hephzibar childs born 24.12.1871 mothers name geary


Aha! My deduction was correct! (See post #13 above) :D

[nixon1951]

a big thanks to you jan brill

[Jan1954]

You're most welcome! http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee187/Jan_07/curtsey.gif

[nixon1951]

just an update

we have manages to trace tree back to a william childs born 1801.
on the hephzibah side 1762 a joeseph geary

we seem to be boing quite well
thanks mike

[Jan1954]

Mike,

If the Gearys stayed in Hertfordshire, you could always post a query on the Hertfordshire board if you get stuck.

Glad to see you are moving onwards (and backwards)!

[nixon1951]

Thanks jan I will post there as Im now gone back to john geary 1720-1785 sarrat, herts, married an Elizabeth ? c1720 this is enough down this side of tree I am going to research the other lines on my side as Im having a great deal of trouble finding info on my line back

thanks mike