Stewart/Grieg - Windsor, NSW

[KarenT]

This is one I keep bringing out to look through over and over and over.... I cannot find the birth index for my gt gt grandmother Eliza Stewart. |banghead| I have had a few of these over years and manage to find them under bizarre spellings, different names, mother's names, - but this and another one - has been a dead end.

Her death certificate indicates she would have been born in about 1838 and that she was 18 years at marriage but her marriage certificate says she was 21 years which put her birth in 1835, so obviously put her age up.
She was married in Windsor, NSW in 1856 -her marriage certificate her father is listed as Duncan Stewart of Scotland and mother Ann. Her death certificate lists him as John Stewart and mother as Mary Ann Grieg.
Both have place of birth as Windsor, NSW.
I have tried a combination of all the variations above with different spellings of Stewart and have yet to find her birth. I've looked for her under her mother's name; I've looked for all Eliza's / Elizabeth's during through 1830-40 but nothing and no siblings as far as I can tell. There is no occupation for Duncan on the marriage certificate, only Scotland, and labourer on the death.
Would anyone have any ideas before I just admit defeat and that this birth was just never registered. |help| I've tried leaping past her to find the Stewarts or Griegs but nothing is screams out at me - this is us!! - there are several possible death indexes but I really would like to narrow it down!:D

[ChristineR]

The birth would not be registered because it is before civil registration which did not begin until 1856 in NSW. What you are looking for is a baptism and this could have happened anytime after her birth, if at all.

Does her marriage certificate record her birthplace? as she may have been born in Scotland - it sounds like her father still lived there at the time.

I would try searching Scotland census 1841 and see if she turns up - I would favour the name for her father as given on the marriage.

ChristineR :)

[KarenT]

Ah completely forgot about when registration started, always in my mind for UK BDM's but didn't think of it for here.

Eliza has put Windsor, NSW as her birthplace in her marriage certificate (and usual place of residence as Wilberforce) ... think I accidentally deleted that out of first post when trying to make it readable! Her death certificate also indicates she was born in Windsor - I've taken the info on the marriage as the priority as the death cert's are dodgy.
The added information in the columns of POB, parents names and occupations on the marriage certificate was added in 1913/14 from a Church Register... maybe they couldn't read his occupation.

I know Windsor was a very early settlement but think my lot were about 20 years too late to be considered pioneers of the area as they're not mentioned on their pioneer roll.

I can't see Duncan on shipping records ... plenty of Johns. I might start trawling through the SA shipping, as I haven't checked there and can't think where else to go at the moment.

[KarenT]

oooh I think I might have found ... something...on Thomas Rose of Wilberforce's tree.

13. Maria Rose (daughter of Thomas Rose and Ann Crew) b. 18.12.1831, m. 28.2.1853, in St Johns Wilberforce, George Stewart, (son of Duncan Stewart and -) d. 15.3.1903, of Typhoid. Maria died 20.4.1916, buried: Tamworth Cemetery.

St John's appears to be a church.... could this be too much of a cooincidence??

More on the same Rose Tree ~
28. Maria ROSE (Thomas ROSE4, Thomas ROSE3, Christopher ROSE2, Joanne DOWNLAND1) was born 18 Dec 1831 in Wilberforce NSW Australia, and died 20 Apr 1916. She was buried in Tamworth Cemetery, Nsw. She married George STEWART 28 Feb 1853 in St John's C of E, Wilberforce, NSW, Australia, son of Ducan STEWART. He was born 1833 in At Sea, and died 15 Mar 1903.

This would then put this Duncan and family coming out in 1833 - something to go on at least even to exclude him.

[cntrygrl]

Hi KarenT,

Sorry this is no help with Elizabeth, but just a thought - have you tried searching for GREIG instead of GRIEG in Scotland? Found a few hits with this spelling

All the Best,
Nadine

[KarenT]

Hi KarenT,

Sorry this is no help with Elizabeth, but just a thought - have you tried searching for GREIG instead of GRIEG in Scotland? Found a few hits with this spelling

All the Best,
Nadine

Yes, have tried the more common spelling of Greig - I have an extract of Elizabeth's death certificate and the transcription is actually completely wrong! - so at the moment going on the index spelling, so the original maybe hard to read. I haven't looked much into Scotland itself yet, not knowing where they have come from, and being quite common names, I will have to try and find shipping info first and hopefully a county of origin.
I think if this George is her brother and she was born 1835 (putting her age up to 21 for the marriage) then it seems her parents would have come out in 1833 as very early immigrants when the early migration of Scots came out during the 1830's - 40's. I haven't had to look for shipping records quite this far back - so will need to look into that!

[ennael]

If you are still looking for this family you need to contact the following person.

Michelle Nichols.
Local History Librarian,
Windsor Library
mnichols@hawkesbury.nsw.gov.au

the ROSE family are very well documented early pioneers of the WILBERFORCE area and if she married into that family you should be able to find her.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/rosefamilysociety/cottage.html

Leanne

[KarenT]

Thanks for your comment Leanne.:)
My direct ancestor didn't marry into the Rose family but the person I believe was her brother did. I have looked at several versions of the Rose Tree over the year and contacted a few but have never had a reply unfortunately.

Thank you for the contact details; I have used the Hawkesbury website extensively but I will try contacting the librarian to see if they can help.

Karen


If you are still looking for this family you need to contact the following person.

Michelle Nichols.
Local History Librarian,
Windsor Library

the ROSE family are very well documented early pioneers of the WILBERFORCE area and if she married into that family you should be able to find her.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/rosefamilysociety/cottage.html

Leanne

[ennael]

Michelle is very good, very knowledgeable and an author of many local Hawkesbury History books, she is very approachable and always tries to respond to peoples' queries, even when she is on holidays.
I am surprised that you have received a negative response from the ROSE people, they are a most well documented family and I would have thought that they would have welcomed people who had an interest in the family.
Michelle can often be found on mailing lists associated with the HAWKESBURY, NSW area.

Leanne

[KarenT]

Michelle is very good, very knowledgeable and an author of many local Hawkesbury History books, she is very approachable and always tries to respond to peoples' queries, even when she is on holidays.
I am surprised that you have received a negative response from the ROSE people, they are a most well documented family and I would have thought that they would have welcomed people who had an interest in the family.
Michelle can often be found on mailing lists associated with the HAWKESBURY, NSW area.

Leanne

Thanks Leanne, I've sent Michelle an email; if she just suggest some books etc and can get me going in the right direction that will be great.:)
I don't know why I didn't hear back...perhaps I just chose the wrong ones!
Karen