Do You Know Arfilshire, Herefordshire?

[Elley]

Please can someone help me with the Place of birth of Hannah Bolton on the 1851 census, mistranscribed as Belton on A*******y. They have her place of birth down as Arfilshire, Herefordshire. I have not been able to find this place on a map anywhere and I cannot find an alternative!

The image is not very good and my efforts to get a decent image copy have failed miserably.

If anyone can help me solve this puzzle it would be wonderful.

Many thanks,

Elley


HO107/1582/?/16
St Georges, Camberwell

[David Annis]

1851 census
Hannah Bolton. Mother in law.
Born abt 1795. Norton. Herefordshire.
Residence. Clifton On Teme. Worcestershire.

Joseph Aspey 36
Hannah Aspey 32
Thomas Aspey 66
Hannah Bolton 56
Thomas Aspey 10
Meria Aspey 7
Elizabeth Aspey 4

Hope this is the one.
Cheers.
Dave

[Peter_uk_can]

I haven't looked into this in any depth but a "shire" within a "shire" ?

Arfilshire, Herefordshire ......... perhaps not.

[Davran]

I would hazard a guess that the pob was actually Hereford, Herefordshire. A town is unlikely to end in 'shire' and there is nothing remotely like it on GENIE. The image definitely says Arfilshire, so it's a guess on the pronunciation in the local accent. There is a Bartestree, but I'm not sure that could be garbled into Arfilshire, or how about Eardisley? No other suggestions, I'm afraid. :confused:

[David Annis]

1841 census.
Hannah Bolton. born 1811.
Residence. Kington.

Hannah Bolton 30
Richard Bolton 30
Ritchard Bolton 8
Elizabeth Bolton 6
Barbara Bolton 4

[David Annis]

I think your place is Kington. Herefordshire.
Dave

[Peter_uk_can]

With a bit of imagination.

some thing in a broad dialect like "air frud sher" for Herefordshire.

Wouldn't it be interesting to really just know how our ancestors sounded when they spoke.

[KateJones]

You can hear examples of accents and dialects, many of which were collected in the 1950's from elderly people (I believe as part of the Survey of English Dialects).

Go to Collect Britain, and follow the links for the English Accents and Dialects - this is the page for Charles Pugh, born 1877, collected 1952. He was from Lyonshall, which I've picked partly because you were discussing Herefordshire, but also because this is where my great grandfather was born, so probably sounded much like this.

http://www.collectbritain.co.uk/personalisation/object.cfm?uid=021SED00C908S58U00001C01

Cheers

[Peter_uk_can]

Thanks Kate, proves the point that there is always someone with an answer.

I guess we all collect photos but how many of us collected and kept tapes, I can remember our first tape recorder back in the late 50's, all the family would record things on it just for the novelty of hearing one's own voice.

Alas' none of the tapes survive |sad1||sad1|

[Elley]

Thank-you to everyone for your input on the name of this place. It is the only clue I have to Hannah Boltons place of birth, born c1790. The children were born in Camberwell parents not born in county on the 1841 census.

This had been a long standing problem for me. It looks as though yet another direct line of mine is going nowhere|sad1|

Many thanks again for your suggestions, much appreciated.

Elley

[Ladkyis]

I guess we all collect photos but how many of us collected and kept tapes, I can remember our first tape recorder back in the late 50's, all the family would record things on it just for the novelty of hearing one's own voice.

I have reel to reel tapes with my grandfather talking and singing, my late uncle doing his 'party piece' and loads of other voices that I would dearly love to get onto CD or DVD but don't know how.

The problem is that these gems are scattered amongst recordings of parties with Loud excerpts of Doris Day asking to be taken back to the black hills and lots of drunken laughter as the Honeymoon game was played.
I don't want those bits I want the treasure not the dross but how do I get it separated and stored on CD?

[Geoffers]

Did Hannah have any children born after the introduction of civil registration, whose births were registered? This would give Hannah's maiden name.

It depends on how common her maiden name was - try searching the 1851 census for anyone of the same surname in London, born Herefordshire (she may not have migrated alone). If the surname not at all common, try sarching the 1851 census, birthplace Herefordshire, for the whole country and see if you can find clusters of birthplaces within the county which will direct you into a few parishes. This is unlikely to work if her maiden name was Smith, Jones, etc

[Cher]

Hi they tend to drop there 'H's in Hereford. So it could be herefordshire.

Cher

[Davran]

This is the family in 1851:

Hannah Bolton w 60 laundress
Caroline do u 25 laundress
Martha do u 23 laundress
Emma do 5
Henry do 20 engine stoker
George do 2

All are listed as Hannah's children, which is improbable for the two youngest. All children born in Camberwell.

[Elley]

Yes that is the correct family Davran

Hannah and Benjamin appear to have come to Camberwell together and are on the 1841 census with their children Martha, Caroline and Henry, in who were born in Camberwell, Parents not born in county.

The younger two children belong on the 1851 census to Martha, who went on to have several more. She never married although in at least one census she is down as a widow.

I have no idea of Hannah's maiden name simply because I do not know where to look for the marriage :confused:

Thanks Again,

Elley

[SBSFamilyhistory]

Hi they tend to drop there 'H's in Hereford. So it could be herefordshire.

Cher


lol


Cher we don't all drop our H's :D

Sue