Advice Needed?

[baldy]

I am in need of some real good advice !!
I am wanting to know "how" you could find out "if" any children were born to Ada Townley Wood & William Beattie ?
I know that they were married in 1905 at The Ascension Lower Broughton UK C of E,
I have both their birth certificates & also the marriage certificate.

Even if only one could be found it would really be a great help

Baldy (au)

[Geoffers]

Is this Lower Broughton, Salford?

Try searching the GRO index (freebmd is lkely to be helpful here). A couple who married in 1905, could have had a child after Sept quarter 1911. This is important as the mother's maiden name is included in the index from that date.

So, look for any Beattie births, where he mother's maiden name is Wood - fairly simple with freebmd (http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl), though this is not complete and does contain errors, it is a useful starting point. Are there any registered in the district which covers Lower Broughton?

Did William leave a will in which he mentions his children? Or did William's dad leave a will in which he mentions his grandchildren?

[Alan Welsford]

Assuming the births were likely to have been in the Salford registration district, where the marriage took place, then the very useful method outlined by Geoffers doesn't actually bring up any BEATTIE births with WOOD as mother, in Salford. But I am using FreeBMD, which as Geoffers says isn't 100% transcribed yet - it's possible searching the indexes quarter by quarter you might find something not yet in FreeBMD.

There are also at least 5 BEATTIE births in Salford between the 1905 marriage, and the 1911 date where mother's maiden name starts to appear on the registration, and this 5 seems highly to include 2 different pairs of twins, (i.e. they are recorded on the same register page). But as several male BEATTIEs have married before these dates, these children could belong to any of several couples, and only buying certificates would say if they were for yours.

The other thing not yet mentioned is that if you know the church where they married, there may well have been baptisms at the same church. If you can get access to the registers, it would be quick to look up, as you are only talking about a smallish time-span.

Alan

[baldy]

Is this Lower Broughton, Salford?

Try searching the GRO index (freebmd is lkely to be helpful here). A couple who married in 1905, could have had a child after Sept quarter 1911. This is important as the mother's maiden name is included in the index from that date.

So, look for any Beattie births, where he mother's maiden name is Wood - fairly simple with freebmd (http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl), though this is not complete and does contain errors, it is a useful starting point. Are there any registered in the district which covers Lower Broughton?

Did William leave a will in which he mentions his children? Or did William's dad leave a will in which he mentions his grandchildren?

Hi Geoffers.
Many thanks for the reply.

I would assume that it would be Lower Broughton,!
I do know that prior according to information below that Williams was living at 1 Croft street Broughton & Ada was living in Lower Broughton

Entry No: 17 July 1905
Groom: William Beattie
Age 28
Condition: Bachelor
Occupation: Salesman
Address 1 Croft Street
Father's Name: Thomas Beattie
Father rank/profession: Joiner

Bride: Ada Townley Wood
Age 25
Condition: Spinster
Address: Lower Broughton
Father's Name: Thomas Wood
Father's rank/profession: Silkweaver

Any information & thoughts would be greatly appreciated
Baldy (au)

[ChristineR]

Death notices and obituaries would most likely include a list of children. Often a year later there might be an In Memoriam notice.

Headstone/s also may name children, or at least give you an exact date so you can look up newspapers.

ChristineR :)

[elyam]

Hi,
have checked births Sept 1911 - Dec 1915 the only ones found as Beattie with Woods mother's maiden name are those on the free BMD.
Elyam

[Geoffers]

Any information & thoughts would be greatly appreciated

As mentioned before, wills can be really good at providing information. Either William's if he mentioned his children; or William's dad if that mentions his grandchildren.

I understand that the calendar to probate records can be seen on film at mormon church (LDS) recrod centres; copies can be obtained from The Probate Service.

Can you trace William in directories to confirm that he remained in the same area? Try historical directories (http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/) if you don't have any copies on CD.

[uksearch]

Hi Geoffers.
Many thanks for the reply.

I would assume that it would be Lower Broughton,!
I do know that prior according to information below that Williams was living at 1 Croft street Broughton & Ada was living in Lower Broughton

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Any information & thoughts would be greatly appreciated
Baldy (au)

I think that you are misreading the certificate. The address is common to both parties i.e. 1 Croft St, Lower Broughton. It's just off Camp St. I had a quick squint at the baptism up to 1910...no BEATTIEs belonging to these jumped out of the pages at me. Though not the busiest of churches, it certainly wasn't quiet as is the case with most churches in this area at that time.

UK

[baldy]

Hi.
Thank you for that information..

The date on the marriage certificate for William Beattie & Ada Townley Wood,is 17 July 1905.
The church shown is :The Ascension" C of E. Lower Broughton UK

I was in hope that there may have been some family after 1905,so as to basically to be able to continue & complete this person.

Again Thank you

Baldy (au)

[Alan Welsford]

Hi.
I was in hope that there may have been some family after 1905,so as to basically to be able to continue & complete this person.

Hi Baldy,

As I said in a previous post....


There are also at least 5 BEATTIE births in Salford between the 1905 marriage, and the 1911 date where mother's maiden name starts to appear on the registration.


Here they are....

Births Sep 1906
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Beattie Mary Dorothy Salford 8d 12

Births Jun 1908
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Beattie Arthur Salford 8d 69
Beattie Herbert Salford 8d 69

Births Dec 1910
---------------------------------------
BEATTIE Elizabeth Salford 8d 91
BEATTIE Thomas Salford 8d 91

Some of these could relate to your couple, (but equally to any other BEATTIE family producing children in Salford at that time).

So you can either try and see if you can find baptism data to match these births, or if you are prepared to throw money at it, to buy certificates.

For the two pairs of births in 1908 and 1910 they look like twins anyway, so I think buying three certificates in total would tell you the parents of all 5. If it was me, though, I'd start with the 1906 one, being closest to the wedding.

Or you can wait for the 1911 census ;)

Alan

[uksearch]

Hi.
Thank you for that information..

The date on the marriage certificate for William Beattie & Ada Townley Wood,is 17 July 1905.
The church shown is :The Ascension" C of E. Lower Broughton UK

I was in hope that there may have been some family after 1905,so as to basically to be able to continue & complete this person.

Again Thank you

Baldy (au)

I am not sure exactly what you are looking at, but the first line of the certificate reads:-
18__ Marriage Solemnized at The Church of the Ascension in the Parish of Lower Broughton in the County of Lancaster

UK

[baldy]

Hi Baldy,

As I said in a previous post....



Here they are....

Births Sep 1906
--------------------------------------
Beattie Mary Dorothy Salford 8d 12

Births Jun 1908
--------------------------------------
Beattie Arthur Salford 8d 69
Beattie Herbert Salford 8d 69

Births Dec 1910
---------------------------------------
BEATTIE Elizabeth Salford 8d 91
BEATTIE Thomas Salford 8d 91

Some of these could relate to your couple, (but equally to any other BEATTIE family producing children in Salford at that time).

So you can either try and see if you can find baptism data to match these births, or if you are prepared to throw money at it, to buy certificates.

For the two pairs of births in 1908 and 1910 they look like twins anyway, so I think buying three certificates in total would tell you the parents of all 5. If it was me, though, I'd start with the 1906 one, being closest to the wedding.

Or you can wait for the 1911 census ;)

Alan

Hi ALan.
Thank you for the reply & advise.
The Beattie's listed last on those that you show are mine.(they are my great grandparents)
I do have all certificates relating to the.


I am endeavoring to look through Historical Directories .
It appears that there were a lot of "Wood's in that era.

Again Thank you
Regards Baldy (au)