Researching the name Hushen

[lethel_wood]

Hi everyone
I'm new and I am trying to find out about members of my family called Hushen who lived in the Leeds area around 1900 untill 1920 (could be before 1900). I really have very little to go on because my mother doesn' know anything about her mother etc.

Ethel Parker (father Joseph and mother Rebecca White) married a William Hushen - I guess around 1898 to 1900. William whose occupation I believe was whitesmith? or gold beater, died in1911. To the best of my knowledge they had two children, Ernest born aroung 1903 who died 2 years later and another Joe born 1905 who lived to become my uncle. My grandmother met up with a William Dargie and eventually moved to Scotland with Joe.

Help
Ethel

[Alan Welsford]

Hi everyone
I'm new and I am trying to find out about members of my family called Hushen who lived in the Leeds area around 1900 untill 1920 (could be before 1900). I really have very little to go on because my mother doesn' know anything about her mother etc.

Ethel Parker (father Joseph and mother Rebecca White) married a William Hushen - I guess around 1898 to 1900. William whose occupation I believe was whitesmith? or gold beater, died in1911. To the best of my knowledge they had two children, Ernest born aroung 1903 who died 2 years later and another Joe born 1905 who lived to become my uncle. My grandmother met up with a William Dargie and eventually moved to Scotland with Joe.

Help
Ethel
Hi Ethel,

Welcome!

You are apologising for not having much to go on, but you have already given far more information than many people are able. You also have the advantage of that unusual surname.

The following looks certian to be the wedding....

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Marriages Mar 1901
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HUSHEN William Leeds 9b 602
Parker Ethel Leeds 9b 602

In case you are unfamiliar, birth, marriage and death registrations are grouped into quarters of the year, so this marriage took place between January and March of 1901.

That's good, because we should be able to find William & Ethel together in the 1901 census.

The information above would allow you to order their wedding certificate from the GRO, which you could do online at....

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates

This should give fathers names and occupations, although clearly you know at least one father's name already.

If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll look for census info in a bit.

Alan

[Alan Welsford]

Well I think I've found Ethel.....

33 Lincoln Street, North Leeds, Yorkshire

Gertie ROBERTS, Head, Single, 21 Ivining on Own Means, Born Lancs, Liverpool
Ethel HUSHEN, Servant, Married, 18, Servant Domestic, Born Yorkshire, Leeds

Class: RG13; Piece: 4226; Folio: 30; Page: 51

So looks like Ethel might have been born around 1883.

I can't immediately find William - I expect that name has got garbled somewhere. I'll take another look, unless I'm beaten to it.

Alan

[Alan Welsford]

Hmm,

So far I've failed the test to find William HUSHEN in 1901. Perhaps someone who is using one of the sites with less transcription errors can take a look for you |blush|

In the 1881 and 1891 censuses, there really does seem to be only one William HUSHEN in the Leeds area of anything like the right age.

I think this must be him with his family in 1881

1 Pease (?) Street, North Leeds, Yorks

Margaret HUSHEN, Head, Widow, 40, Charwoman, born Ireland
Bridget HUSHEN, Daur, Unm, 17, Tailoress born Hants, Portsmouth
Mary A HUSHEN, Daur, 14, General Domestic Servant, born Lancashire, Preston
Thomas HUSHEN, Son, 9, Scholar, born Yorkshire, Leeds
William HUSHEN, Son, 8, Scholar, born Yorkshire, Leeds
George HUSHEN, Son, 5, Scholar, born Yorkshire, Leeds
John HUSHEN, Son, 2, born Yorkshire, Leeds
Alice HARVEY, Boarder, Unm, 21, Tailoress, born Scotland
Annie M GORMAN, Border 3, Scholar, Born Yorkshire, Leeds

Class: RG11; Piece: 4523; Folio: 133; Page: 15

(A 3 year old border scholar is a bit unusual...)

So his mum appears to be Irish born, and I guess recently widowed, if all the children shown belong to her former husband.

Note that William appears to be born around 1873, whereas the 1901 census indicated more like 1883 for Ethel. So if we have found the correct ones, he was some 10 years older than her. A wedding certificate might confirm the ages, or may just say unhelpfully "of full age".

This appears to be the birth registration for this William, and again should contain what's required to buy a certificate.
(Well actually there is a slight problem here, as a site called FreeBMD has the page number on the following index entry transcribed as both 159 and 459. The original image is poor, and either has a 1 with extra marks, or a 4 missing a lot of it. My vote is for 459, but you might like to get someone else for a second opinion, if you want to order a certificate. Why can't life be simple!)

Births Jun 1873
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Hushen William Leeds 9b 459

I can't see any other William HUSHENs registered as Leeds births.

And this appears to be his death

Deaths Dec 1911
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Hushen William 37 Wharfedale 9a 190

This agrees with the year you gave in your post, and 37 is the reported age.
This is totally consistent with the birth registration, making it almost certain they are the same person.

That's probably it for tonight!

Alan

[Alan Welsford]

To the best of my knowledge they had two children, Ernest born aroung 1903 who died 2 years later and another Joe born 1905 who lived to become my uncle.
Ethel
Me again!

Are you sure about the name Ernest ?

I can't see any registrations for Ernest.

There's a John Joseph who appears to have survived 2 years, born 1903, (but I've no way of knowiung if it's for these parents).

Joe's birth is there....

Births Jun 1903
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Hushen John Joseph Leeds 9b 423

Deaths Sep 1905
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Hushen John Joseph 2 Leeds 9b 277

Births Dec 1905
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Hushen Joe Leeds 9b 389


Alan

[Alan Welsford]

Part 5 (Are you getting worn out yet ?).

Here is the same HUSHEN family in 1871, as I have already listed for 1881.

Here the father is still alive, but younger children like William are not yet born…..

1 Pease Street, North Leeds, Yorkshire

John HUSHEN, Head, Marr, 42, Tailor, born Ireland
Margaret HUSHEN, Wife, Marr, 30, born Ireland
Michael HUSHEN, Son, 9, Scholar, born Scotland
Bridget HUSHEN, Daur, 7, Scholar, born Hants, Portsmouth
Mary A HUSHEN, Daur, 4, Scholar, born Lancashire, Preston
John P HUSHEN, Son, 2, born Yorkshire, Leeds

Class: RG10; Piece: 4558; Folio: 88; Page: 18

So it appears that:-
Both parents were Irish
They travelled a around bit - there are births in Scotland and Portsmouth.
The son John P almost certainly died, as there is a John 10 years younger in 1891.

These look highly likely to be the birth and death of John P

Births Dec 1868
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HUSHEN John Patrick Leeds 9b 405

Deaths Mar 1873
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Hushen John Patrick Leeds 9b 315

I can't find a marriage for John and Margaret in England, but I guess it's not surprising.

I'm assuming it probably took place in Ireland or Scotland, (and admit to knowing nothing about searching out marriages in either).

I couldn't immediately find them in the 1861 Scotland census either, (I guess we would only be looking for John & Margaret, unless other children died young). But again I'm no expert on quirks of searching Scottish censuses.

Of course it's entirely possible both were in Ireland in 1861, and could have been either single or married at that stage. Margaret would have been only 20.

(to be continued.......)

[Alan Welsford]

(Continued.....)

I'll switch over to Ethel PARKER.

You seem to know a bit more about Ethel PARKER, which is good, as PARKER is clearly a much more common name, (my g.g.grandfather's sister married into PARKERs).


Ethel Parker (father Joseph and mother Rebecca White)


I think this must be Ethel with her mother in 1891, (Rebecca is also widowed)

Name: Rebecca Parker
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 44 MacAuley Street, North Leeds, Yorkshire
Occupation: Nurse Monthly
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 42

Household Members: Name Age
Ethel Parker 7 Daughter, Scholar, born Yorkshire, Leeds
Rebecca Parker 44 (as above)
Mary A Porteous 59 Boarder, Widow, born Durham, Norton

Class: RG12; Piece: 3691; Folio 137; Page 11

Here's the family 10 years earlier in 1871, with Ethel not yet born, but now with Joseph still alive. (Are you starting to recognise a pattern here? ).

Name: Joseph Parker
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 17 Grant Avenue
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Whitesmith
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 79

Household Members: Name Age
Florence Parker 7
Joe Parker 4
Joseph Parker 35
Rebecca Parker 34
Willie Parker 3 months
All children born in Leeds

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4524; Folio: 22; Page: 7

Note that Joseph is a Whitesmith, whereas we have not to turn up that occupation in William HUSHEN's family, (but then I can't find William in 1901).

The obvious marriage of a Joseph Parker to a Rebecca White is this one……

Marriages Jun 1870
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Parker Joseph Leeds 9b 474
WHITE Rebecca Leeds 9b 474

However, if this is the correct marriage, then it means Florence (7) and Joe (4) in the 1871 family listed above were born before the marriage.

It's not conclusive, because PARKER and WHITE are common names, but there are no obvious birth registrations I could find for a Florence or Joseph (or Joe) PARKER at the right years.

The following could be them registered as WHITE, but the registration for Florence should make her 8 for the 1871 census not 7, (although it's not at all uncommon to find ages misreported by a year, or sometimes a lot more).


Births Mar 1872
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White Florence Leeds 9b 517

Births Sep 1867
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White Joseph Leeds 9b 524

As you clearly know the names of both Joseph PARKER and Rebecca WHITE, can I please ask if you already have the marriage certificate for them. If you do, and you would like someone to look back earlier, it would be helpful if you could post the full detail from that certificate, in order to make sure we are still tracking the right family.

To give you a taster, it looks like Josephs parents were probably John born in Leeds and Sarah born in Wakefield, as there is a Joseph with them who is an apprentice to a whitesmith. (The father is a slaughter man).

I'm sure I've totally overloaded you by now, and perhaps told you far more than you wanted to know.

If anything is unclear, or it looks like I've garbled anything up, then don't hesitate to ask.

If you agree with my findings, and don't already have them, I think you need to buy some of the key certificates identified. Birth certificates will name parents (hopefully both, but not always), and confirm a mother's maiden name (if married). Marriage certificates will give fathers, (unless unknown), and if you are lucky ages, (but it doesn't always happen). Even occupations and witnesses can prove ypu have the right event, and start you looking back earlier.

Phew!

Alan

[Alan Welsford]

I'm still chasing William in 1901.

But I found John |banghead||banghead|

Name: John Husken
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Chatham
Ecclesiastical parish: Chatham St Mary
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: District Chatham Barracks
Occupation: Private - Infantry (Lincs)
Condition as to marriage: Single
Employment status: View Image
Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Rochester and Chatham
ED, institution, or vessel: Chatham Barracks

Class: RG13; Piece: 732; Folio: 22; Page: 2

I don't think William wants to give himself up. He's only just married - why's he not with his wife, for goodness sake!

Alan

[lethel_wood]

Hi Alan
Can I thank you so much for the information you have given me and the time it must have taken you to find this out. You are really good at this. I have only just started and find it all a bit of a minefield.

I live in Scotland and yesterday I managed to download a copy of Ethel Hushen/Parker's death certificate so that is how I know so much about her. To get her age I just added her age, 50. to 1934 when she died. I have ordered a copy of my uncle Joe's birth certificate to find out about them and now I have ordered a copy of Ethel & William's marriage certificate but because I don't have a date for their marriage and haven't done this sort of thing before I can only hope it will come through.

Some of the information you have given me could be correct. I did see the child John Joseph and wondered about that. The name Ernest came from a little bible my mum had, she says it belonged to her mother. There was another name in the bible, Tommy who died around 1917 from the flu and he was only about 4. The name Thomas also comes up in William's family.

This is all turning out to be a bit spooky because my mother's father also came from Ireland and I can't find out anything about them because my grandfather changed his name (as one does|banghead| ).

If I get anymore information, or when I get the certificates through I will get in touch.
Ethel

[Alan Welsford]

Ethel, I've sent you this in response to your PM, but I'll post it here too, to stop anyone else answering the same questions.

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Hi Alan
Can I thank you so much for the information you have given me and the time it must have taken you to find this out. You are really good at this. I have only just started and find it all a bit of a minefield.

No problem. It's beem interesting looking, but I still cant find William in 1901, and it's really bugging me!.

I have ordered a copy of Ethel & William's marriage certificate but because I don't have a date for their marriage and haven't done this sort of thing before I can only hope it will come through.

If you order from the GRO you only need to know the quarter of the event, and the Volume and Page from the index. All those I've posted should be sound, except the one birth where I really couldn't decide if page number started '1' or '4'.

Some of the information you have given me could be correct. I did see the child John Joseph and wondered about that. The name Ernest came from a little bible my mum had, she says it belonged to her mother.

I turned up no evidence of an Ernest - but my methods were not 100% foolproof - he could be hiding in those indexes somewhere! But it seems very strange that a John Joseph is there for about the right birth and death.

There was another name in the bible, Tommy who died around 1917 from the flu and he was only about 4.
Would he be a HUSHEN though if William died in 1911 ?
(Perhaps I've lost track somewhere !)
No obvious evidence of a Tommy HUSHEN at that time, (but again, there could be).

Best wishes,

Alan