Need help with railway occupation please.

[ET in the USA]

On the 1891 Census, Thos Sutcliff 's occupation is shown as follows:
"I. P. for Lanc re + Yorkshire"

I have worked out that this is Lancashire and Yorkshire, but have no idea what an “I. P.”does. Maybe it doesn’t even say I. P., maybe it is some other letter.

Could someone with railway knowledge please take a look at the census and tell me what you think this means ?

Thanks, Elaine

[Sue Mackay]

Can you give us the census reference or at least an address or some family members to track him down? I have looked at about eight Thomas Sutcliffs in 1891 and they are all doing something completely different.

[David Wilkins]

Hi Elaine,

I.P. may be a short form of Inspector for the Lancashire and Yorkshire railway, on the other hand it could also be Inwards Porter. I think Inspector is the more likely but cannot be sure.

Regards

David NZ

[ET in the USA]

Sorry Sue, the ref was on my original post. I didn't realize I removed it along with all the formatting &*%$ that showed in the finished message.

Try again - and type it this time instead of copy & paste. Hope my dyslexic fingers get it right :cool:

RG12/3036 Folio 89 Page 1

Elaine

[Alan Welsford]

I don't think he has anything to do with the Lancahire & Yorkshire Railway.

I think he is a J P (Justice of the Peace) for Lancashire & Yorkshire.

That's what he seems to be in 1871, (although there is further text above that is hard to read)

1881 appears to say Annuitant J P for Lancashire Yorkshire.

Alan

Edited to say that before that (1861) he appears to be the Incumbent of Heptonstall, (i.e. Clergy). He has an M.A. after his name here.

Unless I've mixed up the Thomas Sutcliffes.....

But then the clergy have often has a fascination with trains, like the Rev Wilbert Awdrey, (Thomas the Tank Engine), so I suppose a vicar might take up a new career on the railways.

[ET in the USA]

Thanks all. You are probably correct about the JP. And I thought I was so clever to figure out that Lanc re + Yorkshire was also the name of a railroad |bowdown|

I don't have time to actually look at anything I copy at the library until I get home, then I no longer have access to A ....com to see other years.

Hasta La Vista Amigos.
Elaine

[Sue Mackay]

Well it looks like J.P. to me, which is normally Justice of the Peace, but I think Lancashire and Yorkshire might be too large an area for him to cover :D

However, I see that in 1881 he is listed as Annuitant - JP for Lancaster
RG11; Piece: 3746; Folio: 38; Page: 41

Blimey! 1871 is hard to read as well!
RG10; Piece: 4326; Folio: 46; Page: 1
Looks like Late Incumb(ent) of Hepton Hall. JP for Lancashire ??? Yorkshire

Too tired to look further tonight - I have turned into a pumpkin

[Alan Welsford]

I think parish priest moving on to be a justice of the peace would be quite a typical move. That's my vote anyway.

[Sue Mackay]

Just before bed I couldn't resist putting "Hepton Hall" into Google. Have you seen the second entry at
http://www.rushworth.com/parish/hawmem/index.htm

[Alan Welsford]

Well it looks like J.P. to me, which is normally Justice of the Peace, but I think Lancashire and Yorkshire might be too large an area for him to cover :D

However, I see that in 1881 he is listed as Annuitant - JP for Lancaster
RG11; Piece: 3746; Folio: 38; Page: 41

Blimey! 1871 is hard to read as well!
RG10; Piece: 4326; Folio: 46; Page: 1
Looks like Late Incumb(ent) of Hepton Hall. JP for Lancashire ??? Yorkshire

Too tired to look further tonight - I have turned into a pumpkin

Yes they are not easy are they. I agree Lancashire and Yorkshire sounds a very large "patch" for a JP, and although my geography "up north" is particularly poor, surely Lancaster has never been in Yorkshire, has it ?

My best guesses are...

1861 Incumbent of Heptonstall
1871 Late Incumbent of Heptonstall JP for Lancashire (??) WR of Yorkshire
(WR = West Riding, possibly)
1881 Annuitant JP for Lancaster (??) Yorkshire
(I don't think that can be right!)
1891 JP for Lancre & Yorkshire
(The re in Lancre is raised "superscripted", so does look like Lancashire abbreviated)

Not sure why he would be an annuitant in 1881, but not 10 years later, either, (unless he had been in some kind of Robert Maxwell pension fund).

As you can tell, I'm not great with old handwriting, (and some of this old handwriting isn't great...)

[Sue Mackay]

1851 HO107; Piece: 2288; Folio: 311; Page: 12
He is incumbent of Heptonstall, living with wife Eliza, no children, with visiting curate from another church and one servant.

[Nicolina]

Heptonstall is on the Yorkshire Lancashire border, about half way between Bradford and Burnley. Try Google maps it will show that it's near Hebdon Bridge which is definitely Yorkshire. (Last of the Summer Wine country)