Bramley - Ilkeston

[MarkJ]

Hi all,
I thought I had asked about this before, but apparently not according to the search function!

Jack Bramley ran a little hardware shop in Ilkeston up until his death in the 1980s.
He was somehow (sigh!) related to my wifes grandmother or, less likely, her grandfather.
If some kind person could look on the 1891 (and 1901 if possible) census(es) for John or Jack Bramley, in Ilkeston - probably with a father also called John who was the owner of a hardware store, I would be most grateful.
I am also very interested in John seniors wifes name - possibly Elizabeth or, very slight possibility, Rowena.
Any information gratefully received - and if anyone has a photo of the store... ;)
This is one of those "I wish I had written down all the details at the time..." jobs. My wife and I visited Jack a few times, taking the wifes grandmother to see her "cousin". I believe the link to be via the Taylor family - grandmothers mother was a Taylor and I suspect John Bramley senior married a Taylor - certainly there is evidence in the form of a marriage between a Bramley and a Taylor at the right sort of time...

Many thanks in advance,

Mark

[janbooth]

Mark,

How about this family in the 1901 census of Ilkeston:

RG13/3152, folio 99, page 46
356 Nottingham Rd, General Dealer's Shop

John Thomas BRAMLEY Head M 27 General Dealer Shop Derbys
Lizzie do Wife M 31 Nottingham
Ada do Daur 3 Derby Ilkeston
John Thomas do Son 2 do do

There is also a marriage on the GRO Index at Nottingham reg district of a John Thomas BRAMLEY in September qtr 1896, vol 7b, page 554 and a corresponding entry for an Elizabeth Ann TAYLOR which would fit in quite well datewise.

Janet

[MarkJ]

Hi Janet,
Many thanks for that. That is indeed the right family.
Once again, thanks for taking the trouble to look this one up for me :)

Cheers
Mark

[Dave Johnson]

Mark
On Aug 2 1897 Ada Bramley was born to John Thomas, general dealer, and Elizabeth Ann (nee Taylor) at 356 Nottingham Rd, Ilkeston. This was at the top of Nottingham Rd, in what is White Lion Square, which unfortunately for you, has been almost completely redesigned now, with a new by-pass and road system.
Son John Thomas was born at the same address on Aug 15 1898 when his father was described as a 'licenced hawker'.
Subsequent directories of Ilkeston place John Thomas at the same address until at least 1912.

Best wishes
Dave Johnson

[MarkJ]

Hi Dave,
Many thanks for your information :)

I was very kindly sent a photo of the Bramley "lorry", complete with pots and pans - dating to the early 1900's I think judging by the vehicle.

Yes, that is the link to my wifes family. Edith Taylor married Albert Wright - and their daughter Harriet Ellen was my wifes grandmother.

Interestingly, Harriet Ellen married a Robert Johnson. No connection to you by any chance?
If you are connected to the Bramleys, I have a photo of the family (John senior, wife Elizabeth Ann, Ada and John Junior (Jack) )

Mark