Birth records- Banagher

[Brian Turnbull]

My great grandmother, Mary Ann Tiquin (Tyquin) was married in Australia in 1872, and said she was from Banagher, Kings County the daughter of Pat Tiquin a blacksmith and Mary Ann Madden. At marriage she said she was 21, but I think she fibbed to overcome getting approval because subsequent certificates suggest her age may have been 16, giving a birth year of around 1856. I believe many Irish records have been destroyed, but wonder if anyone can tell me where I could look for a birth record.

Brian

[locallad27]

irishmidlandsancestry.com might be able to assist.
(a little story about Tiquin name)
Shinrone in the Tithe War'
in 1837 the owner of a local mill, Mr. Thomas Tiquin, was prosecuted for refusing to pay tithes totalling, one pound, twelve shillings and eight pence.
Although defended by the eminent Q.C Mr. Rolleston of Glasshouse, Tiquin lost his case, was arrested and confined in the barracks in Shinrone,
before being transferred to Dublin's Newgate prison (now known as Kilmainham) where despite being " one of the finest young men in the Kilg's County,
upward of six foot, two inches in height, and the idol of his neighbourhood" he died, suddenly after his imprisonment.
Daniel O Connell and the Catholic Association, realising the indignation which the trial and death of Tiquin had aroused could be used to bring more pressure on the Government to abolish the Tithes, were determined to milk the funeral for all it was worth.
The coffin, borne in a plain hearse drawn by four black-plumed horses bearng placards that read " Funeral of Mr. Thomas Tiquin of Shinrone, in King's County, who died Thursday 30th May 1837, while under imprisonment in the Four Courts, Marshalsea, Dublin, for the Tithes". It took 3 days to cross the country, stopping in Kildare, Mountrath and Roscrea. Thousands of people followed the cortege on foot, on horseback and in cars, carriages and gigs. it was 3 o clock on Sunday when the funeral reached it's family burial ground in Banagher, where Tiquin was laid in his grave.
It's estimated the 200,000 people took part in the funeral.
Tithes were abolished the following year and Tiquin was known as "The Last Tithe Martyr".

[locallad27]

Joe Tiquin Lusmagh, Banagher
Died; 2/12/2009
Wife; Toni.
Interred in Kilmahunna cemetery.
(Message left of condolence)
On behalf of the South African branch of the family.
I am attempting to bridge the gap between the South Afrian branch and those elsewhere,
please contact me at
duane AT reefprop DOT co DOT za
Duane Tiquin

[locallad27]

Offaly War Dead

Tiquin/Tinquinn Daniel
Rank; Pte.
Regiment or Service; Leinster Regiment
Unit; 2nd Battalion
Died; 16/6/1918 Died of wounds.
Born; Killoughey, Offaly.

[Brian Turnbull]

locallad27, thanks for your information. I have no idea if my Mary Ann is connected. The only information I have on her is as posted with the exception that she arrived in Queensland (Morton Bay) "Indus", on 1st July 1872 age 16. The ship left London on 10 April 1872, but I guess this was a stop off on the journey.

Brian

[locallad27]

1901 census for Ireland now on-line from today.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie

[yodabean6]

Brian Turnbull, I might have some answers for you. I just happened upon this website and saw your request for info regarding Pat & Mary Tyquin. Patrick Tyquin is my great, great grandfather from Banagher, Kings County, Offaly. He was born in 1810 and married "Mary Gannon (Slemen)", as listed on my family tree. Mary Gannon lived in Ballyboy, then Garrycastle. Patrick Tyquin died in 1886. They had 9 children; Patrick, Mary Anne (likely your grandmother), Michael, Thomas, Catherine, Bridget, Eliza, Daniel, Francis (my great grandfather) he became the town blacksmith after his father. I have birthdates for all except Mary Anne. the family tree states she was married to a "Conroy". There is no information if she she went to Australia. The extensive family history that I have was given to me by Lawrie Tyquin from Victoria, Australia who was a descendant of James & Martin Tyquin Brother of Patrick. I have noticed that you were given information on Thomas Tyquin wo was Patrick's brother as well. I hope this helps if you would like more information let me know I will try to help.

[Brian Turnbull]

Yodabean6, Thank you for your reply. i wiil post the information I have for you to compare: parents information I obtained from Mary Ann's marriage certificate which may need to be taken with a grain of salt. To be charitable I must say that where she was married in outback Queensland and in an outback pub, the Irish accent may not have been familiar and since both Mary and her husband were illiterate, they would not be of much help to the person recording the details.
Parents: Patrick Tyquin, blacksmith, Banagher,Offaly,Mary Ann Gannon,Banagher,Offaly.
Married: 6 Dec 1872, Ruby Creek near Stanthorp Queensland to William James Robinson from Enniskillen, Fermsnagh.His father Richard Robinson was a publican.
Children of Patrick and Mary Ann Gannon: John b. abt(.1846), Banagher. Catherine b. Abt. (1848), Banagher. Patt b. Abt.( 1851) Birr,Offaly. Mary Ann b. Abt (1853) Banagher,Offaly.d(.25 Oct 1912) Broken Hill.N.S.W. Australia.Michael b.(1855) Eglish, Armagh,Thomas(b)Abt.(1856),Eglish, Armagh. Catherine b. (1858) Eglish, Armargh. Bridget b. Abt. (1860),Eglish, Armagh. Eliza b. Abt. (1861) Birr,Offaly. Daniel b. Abt. (1864) Banagher, Offaly.Frances b. Abt (1867) Banagher,Offally.
Note: There are various spellings of Mary Ann Gannon's name in the baptismal records, but Gannon is the one most often used. Patt Tyquin's surname on the register is Tyqell. Bridgett's surname on the register is Slamon. Eliza's surname on register is Tyguin and her father's surname is given as Patt
Brian Turnbull. Patrick and Mary Ann are my maternal second great grandparents.

[Brian Turnbull]

Yodabean6 , I would be interested in the brothers and parents of Patrick Tyquin. I can give you my private email address in "private messages" if you wish.
Brian

[Brian Turnbull]

Yodabean6, in your post earlier you mentioned that Patrick Tiquin was born in 1810, however the 1901 census for Ireland states his age as 80 making his birth year about 1821. Also the Roman Catholic baptism registers for Banagher, are not available before 1811. His eldest child, John was baptised in 1846, so Patrick would have been about 25 at the baptism which seems reasonable.
Brian

[yodabean6]

Brian, I have been away then busy with work so I appoligize for the long delay. I have two different family history charts regarding Patrick Tiquin (Tyquin). Both state that he was born in 1810. Interestingly, neither state that he had a son named John. You noted that there were two Catherines (1848) & (1958), unsure if that was a typo. I only have Catherine listed for (1958). I have Mary Anne dated for birthday (1853) on my second family tree. The way my family history is written, it is a litte fuzzy if Patrick's brother is Martin or James. Anyway Martin's son James went to Australia. James was born in 1822 and married Mary Croake born in 1836. His other brother was Thomas Tiquin the famous Tithe Martre. Unsure of his birthdate but he died in 1837. My grandmother also mentioned a brother who went to South Africa and won a purse of gold from Queen Victoria but I don't have his name. She and her sister Mary Ellen always kept in writing contact with the Austrialian and S. African family. As far as Mary Anne is concerned, her brother Patrick married Sara Tierney and they had 5 kids, her brother Michael married Catherine Condron and they had two children and her brother Francis married Bridget Buckley and had 12 - in which one is my grandmother. I don't have any marital status for the other siblings. I have the names of their children if you would like. I hope this helps. Have you been in contact with any of the Austrailian Tiquins/Tyquins? Did you know there is a road called "Tyquins Road" in Taradale/Kyneton? not sure which part of Austrailia that is I have an excerpt from an Australian paper from 1991 regarding a Tyquin family reunion. All the Tyquins there are related to your family. If you would like any more info I will try to help.

[Brian Turnbull]

locallad27, from your tip on Ofally war dead I eventually got on to the GRO index for the death certificate. The certificate says he was 21.However a sheet attached to the certificate said he was 54 and gave his parents names, so that confirmed that he was my great grand uncle.Thanks again for the tip.
Brian

[Brian Turnbull]

Yodabean6, thanks for your reply.There were in fact 2 Catherine Tiquins children of
Patrick and Mary Gannon.Catherine (1848) was baptised 12 April 1848 at Banagher Roman Catholic Church, page 59 of the baptism register. Catherine (1858) was baptised 1 June 1858 at Eglish Roman Catholic Church from the baptismal register 1809-1899.My great grandmother Mary Anne was baptised in that church in June 1853. Bridget (1 May 1860) Michael(1 Feb 1855) Thomas 1(Nov 1856) were also baptised in that Church. Fathers name for all was Patrick "Tyquin" mothers name for Briget was M "slamon" but on all others was M Gannon
I do not have any information on Patricks siblings, although another poster to this site locallad27 believes that one of Patrick's brothers may have gone to South Africa.
I have been in contact with Lawrie Tiquin in Victoria and I think it is his father who has been doing the research and is going to send me some information.There are 8 Tiquins listed in the telephone book in Victoria, 1 in Queensland and 1 in New South Wales.
Kyenton is north west of Melbourne in Victoria.
I have the details on Patrick and Sarah and children as well as Michael and Catherine Condon and their children, as well as Francis and Bridget Buckley snd children, although only from the 1901 and 1911 census.
Brian

Tierney and children

[Brian Turnbull]

locallad27

I have searched the 1901 census for both Banagher and Lusmagh and have not found a Joe Tiquin.
Brian Turnbull

[ninety9RB]

Hi yodabean6 - My Great Great Grandfather was also Patrick Tyquin. His son Frank was my Great Grandfather and my Grandmother known as Margaret but we later discovered was really called Letitia was Frank's daughter. My Granny married William McCormack and they had 13 children of which my mother was one - Rynagh. I have only started to take an interest in this along with some of my cousins so if you could point me in the right direction I would be delighted.

[yodabean6]

ninety9RB it is nice to hear from you. Small world. Your Grandmother Letitia Margaret Tyquin/Tiquin was my grandmothers Sister! My grandmother Elizabeth (Betty) born 1903, used to refer to yours as "Peg". Betty came to the U.S. around 1930 with two sisters Rose 1910 who married Pete Petersen (two children) and Mary Ellen (Nell) 1901 who married Mike Keenan (no children). Betty married Joseph Brady and had one son - Frank, my dad and I am one of three. Not many Tyquin descendants in the U.S. I would be happy to help you with what ever info you are looking for, I have some extensive family tree info so let me know if you want my email. Sincerely, distant cousin.

[ninety9RB]

Wow - that is great yodabean. My Dad took my Granny Peg (yes you are correct) to Florida to see her sister Rose when my mum died. She was a great lady - and had 13 children! My mum's youngest sister is Elizabeth - named after your grandmother! Some of my cousins and I are trying to link into a Tyquin Family Tree - do you know if there is one somewhere already set up and how can we link in. Obviously there are a lot of cousins still on this side of the water although the Tyquin name is gone now I believe. I haven't worked out what cousin you are to me yet but its great to make contact.

[yodabean6]

As far as I know there isn't an online family tree. I was given two fairly extensive family tree list, one from Lawrie Tyquin from Australia back in 1991 when he was here visiting,which includes the extensive Australian branch. Another was past to me from my father in 1995 - typed version by some professional. Betty and Mary kept close ties with relatives in Ireland, Australia and South Africa, but unfortunately the connections were gone with them. Several times their sisters would come to visit with her and Aunt Mary - who spent the last 18 years together, I have pictures but not sure who is who. I'm sorry to hear about your mother. Mine died when I was a baby so my grandmother raised me and made sure I knew all about her family. If you are interested in a copy of either tree then go to my inbox on this website and post either a fax # or a mail address and I will send you a copy. Great to hear back. I look forward to learning more.

[Brian Turnbull]

ninety9 RB, I also note from my tree that Patrick Tiquin and Mary Anne had a son Patrick (1851) who married Sarah Tierney(1846) about 1874. They had a son Frank 1888. I have no children for them.
Brian Turnbull.

[Brian Turnbull]

ninety9 RB, it seems my earlier posts have disappeared into the ether. I mentioned that Patrick Tiquin was also my 2X great grandfather. His daughter, Mary Anne,came to Australia in 1872 on "Indus" to Moreton Bay ( now Brisbane).
I have been in contact with Lawrie Tiquin in Victoria both by mail and phone calls and he has promised to send me a copy of the Tiquin family tree, but in the last 18 months nothing has happened. Best of luck with yours.
Brian Turnbull

[robertvkenny]

Michael Tiquin, (brother of Frank etc) Son of Patrick And Mary Ann Gannon, married Catherine Condron. They had two daughters, Mary and and Kate. Kate married Paddy Walsh, Crinkle, Birr, she died in late 1950s I think. As a child I can just remember her and Paddy in Crinkle.
Mary Tiquin married Coyle. Mary was my Grandmother. She died on Good Friday 1977
Her daughter Margaret (Rita) married Robert (Bob) Kenny (d.1977) (4 Children). Rita died in 2002. Mary, Bob and Rita are all buried in Stony Stratford,Bucks, England. RIP.
Rita loved genealogy and was a great friend of Lawrie Tiquin from Australia. They corresponded and we met a few times (I have a few pics). I remember meeting Frances (Tiquin-Fleming) in Limerick in the 1970s, and I'm still in touch with her daughter Frances.
It is VERY sad to see that the last male to carry the Tiquin name in Ireland has now gone. I visited the grave of Thomas Tiquin (Tithe Martyr) at Taylor's Cross on Sunday. Tommy Tiquin (blacksmith) made new iron gates for the graveyard and his name lives on, engraved on the latch! I would be happy to hear from any of my Tiquin relations, and to have news of Lawrie's family.

[robertvkenny]

Ps I forgot to mention that in the graveyard (which is way out on lonely road!) I met Pat Moylan, former Speaker (Cathaoirleach) of Seanad Eireann, the Irish Upper House of Parliament. His family grave is close by, so we are in good company!!
Also nearby is the grave of Eliza Pardy (nee Tiquin) who I think was a daughter (or niece) of the tithe martyr... I took a couple of very atmospheric photographs which I will happily send to anyone interested.

[locallad27]

The Irish Civil Register only began in 1864, but it has Tiquin of Offaly
Jack
http://www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records

[Brian Turnbull]

robertvkenny. I was very interested in your post 18 Jan 2012. My 2Xgreat grandparents were Patrick Tiquin and Mary Anne Gannon.Their daughter, Mary Anne Tiquin, my great grandmother came to Australia on the "Indus" in 1872. Martin Tiquin married Bridget Ferns and their son James (1817) sailed from Cork on the "Royal Saxon" and arrived in Port Phillip on 17 July 1841. James was a bounty immigrant.
I would be very interested in any information you may like to share, especially if you have a birth date for Thomas Tiquin. I believe his wife was Marryanne but do not have a family name or any details of children.
I will post my private email address in the private messages. Brian Turnbull

[robertvkenny]

Hi Brian, how do I find yr private email??
Michael Tiquin, brother of Frank & Mary Anne was my maternal Great-Grandfather. So Brian and I both have a great-grandparent from that family.
Michael was allegedly something of a 'wild man'... He disappeared from the lives of his wife Kate Condron and daughters Mary and Kate. My Grandmother (Mary) always said no-one knew what became of him. I often wonder what did became of him???
When I get a moment (soon) I am going to do a Facebook photo page for 'my' Tiquins, and some pics of the Tithe Martyr's grave.
If anyone has any old Tiquin photos they would like to share, please get in touch.

[robertvkenny]

Sorry - a small correction! The village I mentioned near Birr is called Crinkill, not Crinkle!!!
Last week I took a photo of myself beside a street water-fountain in Crinkill where I was LAST PHOTOGRAPHED with my sister Catherine-Mary in 1950, when visiting Paddy Walsh and his wife Kate (Tiquin)!

[Brian Turnbull]

robertvkenny. If you go to thr beginning og the forums page you will see a heading notifications and when you click on the down arrow. inbox will appear and my message should be there. Brian

[Brian Turnbull]

robertvkenny, I will take the risk and give you my email here:

b_turnbull1091 AT hotmail DOT com

I do not have a facebook account so will not be able to access your information.
Brian

[Brian Turnbull]

notanotherminer
Thank you for protecting me. I had reservations about posting it at the time as I have seen warnings before and I thought I was a big boy now!
Brian