Viney

[Rob V]

Hello everyone,
My paticular interest is the viney family, of which i am one.
I started to get serious about this following the recent death of a relative. I realised i did not know very much about my family.
I have made good progress but could do with some help on a couple of things.
My great grandfather, Robert John Viney B.1856, was a soldier with the First battalion East yorkshire regiment,15th foot, certainly in 1891 and was based
in Victoria barracks, Beverley, Yorkshire. Has anyone got any ideas as to how i could trace his army record ?.
Secondly My Great Great grandfather was James Leonard Viney B.1820 in Wales, his parents are listed as George Viney and Ann Queensbury. I seem to have come to a dead end with them, any suggestions ?

Thanks

[Bo Peep]

|wave|Hello Rob and welcome to the Brit-Gen forum. I am so pleased you have chosen to become a member of our community.

Please take a look around the forum and when you are ready, post your queries, giving as much information as possible, on the relevant board. Oh yes, if you could vote on the new Brit-Gen slogan too, that would be great. Have fun!

[tony vines]

Hi Rob

My family is Vines, not Viney, but I've found that due to widespread illiteracy prior to the 20th century the name gets spelt in a wide variety of ways on certificates and censuses etc. by the registrars, enumerators and parish clerks. For example the same family might be spelt Vine/Vines/Vinde/Vindes/Viands in different generations. Add that to mis-transcriptions carried out recently and there is plenty of scope for not finding ancestors, online in particular, who are there all the time. Posters on this forum frequently amuse us all by telling how their ancestors have been mis-transcribed, although it sometimes doesn't seem so funny when you spend months trying to get over a brick wall.

There is of course no substitute for personal searches if you've the resources to do so (time, money, geographical proximity etc.).

However if you've not tried to work out alternative spellings and mis-transcription howlers that may be possible in your case it might be worth doing so and searching again on some of them.

Another thing I've found is name creep. This occurs when the family name is in the singular so when they are referred to collectively the name changes. Thus a family named Vine may be referred to collectively as "the Vines". This then gets endorsed when one of them gets married etc. so eventually after several generations the Vine family refers to itself as Vines.

Good hunting

[BeeE586]

I don't know if it is of interest, but I knew people of this name in Beighton, formerly in north east Derbyshire, now in South Yorkshire. The lady I knew was Caroline Viney, a widow, with three sons - I never knew her maiden name - but a member of one of the two families in Beighton in 1901 may have been her husband, she was in her sixties c 1950. There was also May Crossley nee Viney (not of the same family) who by a strange coincidence was my father's second wife.

1901 Census Reference RG13 Piece 3259 Folios 109 and 135.

The oldest mentioned is James, born DOR Dorchester c 1844, the others born either Beighton or DBY Staveley and there is a marriage connection with a family named Cree.

Eileen

[Sue Mackay]

I can't see any connection with your VINEYs as yet, but strangely enough I have a Sarah VINEY on my database who ended up calling her son Leonard!

She was baptised in 1787 in St.Mary's, Wilton (Wiltshire), the daughter of George VINEY and Phoebe WAITE, and married a blacksmith called Richard HINTON in the same church on 23 Jan 1809. Their children were Rebecca, George, Leonard and Jane.

In 1820 the family sailed on the Weymouth to the Cape of Good Hope as part of the Government aided 1820 Settler scheme.
http://www.genealogyworld.net/settlers/Weymouth%20Article.htm

This is where they come into my tree and where things get complicated :D
Shortly after arrival at the Cape Richard HINTON died, and Sarah married Samuel HAYWARD on 4 March 1824. Samuel had also sailed from Wiltshire on the Weymouth and was the eldest son of my 4xgreat grandparents, James HAYWARD and Tabitha PRISTOW. James was considerably younger than Sarah. Almost exactly two years later, on 2 March 1826, Sarah's daughter Rebecca HINTON married her step father's younger brother, John HAYWARD. It was a tough old life out there, and no-one seemed to remain unmarried for long. My 3 x great grandmother, Selina HAYWARD (sister of James and John) married FOUR times and there are numerous step children on the tree!

[Rob V]

Thanks for your replies

Rob v