BICKERSTAFF of Lancashire, England

[brenbickerstaff]

I can trace my ancestry back to the birth of James Bolton Bickerstaff ( since I have the original certificate) He was born 14 May 1842, parents were James Bickerstaff and Ann Bolton. James Bolton marrried at Manchester Cathedral to Mary Stewart B. 1843 married on May 17, 1864, Her father was Joseph Stewart. James Bolton died in Richmond, Virginia in 1917 and it is believed his wife Mary died in England around 1882-1888. I am unable to progress beyond this part since 1995. If anyone has any suggestions of where to search, please let me know.
Thanks

[uksearch]

I think you may have a typo in there unless I am reading it incorrectly. I did misread it, but I can't find a James Bickerstaff baptised at the Collegiate & Parish church of Manchester 1842 + or - 5yrs.

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UK

[Trish]

I can trace my ancestry back to the birth of James Bolton Bickerstaff ( since I have the original certificate) He was born 14 May 1842, parents were James Bickerstaff and Ann Bolton. James Bolton marrried at Manchester Cathedral to Mary Stewart B. 1843 married on May 17, 1864, Her father was Joseph Stewart. James Bolton died in Richmond, Virginia in 1917 and it is believed his wife Mary died in England around 1882-1888. I am unable to progress beyond this part since 1995. If anyone has any suggestions of where to search, please let me know.
ThanksHi. Your post leapt off the screen at me just now. Only yesterday, the Bickerstaff name came up on another thread (http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?p=122357&highlight=bickerstaff#post122357). It can't be that common a name. The 1881 census has a widowed, 41-year-old Jenny Bickerstaff living with her parents in Bispham with Norbreck, Lancashire. You never know, her deceased husband's family could tie in with yours

Regards,
Trish

[Trish]

I think you may have a typo in there unless I am reading it incorrectly. I did misread it, but I can't find a James Bickerstaff baptised at the Collegiate & Parish church of Manchester 1842 + or - 5yrs.

|cheers|

UK
UK, I think James Bolton Bickerstaff was born in Kirkham. Isn't that right, Brenbickerstaff?

[Bo Peep]

|wave|Hello Brenbickerstaff and welcome to the Brit-Gen forum. I apologise for being late with my greeting, but I see that Trish and UK have been taking care of you.

Please take a look around the forum, and when you are ready, post your query on the relevant forum.

[brenbickerstaff]

UK, I think James Bolton Bickerstaff was born in Kirkham. Isn't that right, Brenbickerstaff?

You are absolutely correct. I found the certificate listing district of Kirkham in the county of Lancaster. Is this not in Lancashire? Where should I be looking? I would like to find information about the parents.

[brenbickerstaff]

I think you may have a typo in there unless I am reading it incorrectly. I did misread it, but I can't find a James Bickerstaff baptised at the Collegiate & Parish church of Manchester 1842 + or - 5yrs.

|cheers|

UK

thanks, it appears that he married Mary Stewart in the Manchester Cathedral
May 17, 1864. I am not sure when the son Joseph Lawrence Bickerstaff was baptised. the son was born April 8, 1867. the mother Mary died sometime after 1882 and James Bolton Bickerstaff and his son traveled to USA and stayed in richmond, Virginia. I sure wish I could find out when the mother died and if other children were born of the marriage. the census records I have searched do not show other children. One day I wish to visit the area.

[Trish]

You are absolutely correct. I found the certificate listing district of Kirkham in the county of Lancaster. Is this not in Lancashire? Where should I be looking? I would like to find information about the parents.Yes, it is. Google Maps can give you an excellent look at the area. UKSearch and a few others are experts on all things Lancashire so you're in good hands here -- if anyone can advise you, they can.

Trish

[Trish]

thanks, it appears that he married Mary Stewart in the Manchester Cathedral
May 17, 1864. I am not sure when the son Joseph Lawrence Bickerstaff was baptised. the son was born April 8, 1867. the mother Mary died sometime after 1882 and James Bolton Bickerstaff and his son traveled to USA and stayed in richmond, Virginia. I sure wish I could find out when the mother died and if other children were born of the marriage. the census records I have searched do not show other children. One day I wish to visit the area.You've checked the BMD records online? There are several death records for Mary Bickerstaff[e] in Lancashire beteen 1882 and, say, 1892.

Regards,
Trish

[uksearch]

I was a bit tired when I jump in here and I missed the fact that you were not claiming James Bolton BICKERSTAFF was baptised in Manchester. Do you have his marriage details? If memory serves me correctly, there were two BOLTON witnesses.

UK

[brenbickerstaff]

I was a bit tired when I jump in here and I missed the fact that you were not claiming James Bolton BICKERSTAFF was baptised in Manchester. Do you have his marriage details? If memory serves me correctly, there were two BOLTON witnesses.

UK

Thank you for your correspondence. We may just get somewhere. I have Mary's father as Joseph, James Bolton's father as James (don't know middle name) and witnesses as Thomas and Mary Bolton. How did you know this? and is there more?
Brenda

[brenbickerstaff]

You've checked the BMD records online? There are several death records for Mary Bickerstaff[e] in Lancashire beteen 1882 and, say, 1892.

Regards,
Trish
Hi Trish,
I found a Mary Bickerstaff who died in 1890 and buried in Philips Park (no idea if this is close) I have not seen the others but will look. I have a copy of an note in a small book ( the cousin has the original) in which is written "April 8, 1882, This book presented to Joseph Bickerstaff on his 14 Birthday April 2th 1882 fromhis loving Mother when he is going away to America." the story goes the father and son when to America and the mother (Mary Stewart Bickerstaff) died at some point and they returned to america to live around 1886. Where does this lead me? It is great to correspond to someone when dead ends have appeared for so long. I am 60 and need to record this information for my family.
Brenda

[uksearch]

Thank you for your correspondence. We may just get somewhere. I have Mary's father as Joseph, James Bolton's father as James (don't know middle name) and witnesses as Thomas and Mary Bolton. How did you know this? and is there more?
Brenda


Trish,

Should I tell?

UK:D

[Trish]

Trish,

Should I tell?

UK:DTakes away from the mystique a little... Oh, go ahead! ;)

[uksearch]

Thank you for your correspondence. We may just get somewhere. I have Mary's father as Joseph, James Bolton's father as James (don't know middle name) and witnesses as Thomas and Mary Bolton. How did you know this? and is there more?
Brenda

Take a look at my location and then take a look at the link below;).

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=464

UK

[uksearch]

Cathedral & Parish Church of Manchester May 17th 1864
James BICKERSTAFF, 22, Bachelor, Brewer, 43 Russell St. Father, James BICKERSTAFF, Labourer & Mary STEWART, 21, Spinster, 43 Russell St.Father, James STEWART, Labourer. Married...after Banns...Both signed. Witnesses Thomas BOLTON & Mary Ann BOLTON.

UK

[Trish]

Cathedral & Parish Church of Manchester May 17th 1864
James BICKERSTAFF, 22, Bachelor, Brewer, 43 Russell St. Father, James BICKERSTAFF, Labourer & Mary STEWART, 21, Spinster, 43 Russell St.Father, James STEWART, Labourer. Married...after Banns...Both signed. Witnesses Thomas BOLTON & May Ann BOLTON.

UKGood work, UK.

Brenda, you mention that you found a death record for a Mary Bickerstaff in Philips Park in 1890. There is a Philips Park in Whitefield, Manchester. Do you know where Mary lived in the last years of her life?

Trish

[brenbickerstaff]

Hi again,

The marriage info agrees with what I have and you added that Joseph Stewart was a labourer. I have the 1843, 1861, 1871 an think the 1881 is correct. I do not know my geography very well. The 1881 census, list James Hy Bickerstaff (which has continued in my line of grandfather, father, brother and his son as James Henry) I have been told my brother was actually the 5th James Henry. Back to 1881 census of Saddleworth, wherever that is, James Hy Bickerstaff 18, farmer born lancashire kirkham and Mary age 37 wife born in Freckleton with son Joseph age 12 born Manchester. All seems to jive is Saddleworth in the area and does it make sense? is this near Philips Park? She was alive on April 2nd 1882 but how long after that?
Thanks for your help
Brenda

[Trish]

Hi again,

The marriage info agrees with what I have and you added that Joseph Stewart was a labourer. I have the 1843, 1861, 1871 an think the 1881 is correct. I do not know my geography very well. The 1881 census, list James Hy Bickerstaff (which has continued in my line of grandfather, father, brother and his son as James Henry) I have been told my brother was actually the 5th James Henry. Back to 1881 census of Saddleworth, wherever that is, James Hy Bickerstaff 18, farmer born lancashire kirkham and Mary age 37 wife born in Freckleton with son Joseph age 12 born Manchester. All seems to jive is Saddleworth in the area and does it make sense? is this near Philips Park? She was alive on April 2nd 1882 but how long after that?
Thanks for your help
BrendaBrenda,

Saddleworth is close to Manchester -- roughly about 60 miles southeast of Kirkham or about 20 miles due east of Philips Park. Freckleton is only a couple of miles south of Kirkham.

To see a modern map of the area, go to http://maps.google.com/ and type in Saddleworth Yorkshire. Another very good, detailed map site to try is http://www.streetmap.co.uk.

James Hy Bickerstaff was listed as 33 years of age in the 1881 census, wasn't he -- not 18? [Reference: RG11/4364 Folio 95 Page 9]

How do you know Mary was alive in 1882?

Trish