evidence of marriage?

[ruthm]

I've put this here as i did'nt know where else to put it!

my ancestor Hannah Turner appears on the 1871 census return for Arely Kings page 6, folio 75 as Hannah Hopkins, married to John Hopkins. I think its almost definatley the right Hannah as the place & date of birth tallies as does the place & d o b of thomas turner who is living with them. thing is i can't find a record of their marriage, i've found a hannah turner who married in 1866 ledbury, but no corresponding entry for John Hopkins, Turner was & is such a common name that i would like further evidence, is there anywhere else i can go besides ancestry?

i did wonder if they were actually married? was it common for people to live together? There is also a Fanny Turner living with them, she's a grand-daughter, I've come across this before on other trees and it does seem to be very common, for, I suspect, a variety of reasons, from over crowding at home, death of parents or illigitamacy. Has anyone any theories on this?

Thanks

[jeeb]

Hi Ruth,

Marriage registration:-

John Hopkins & Hannah Turner Jan/Mar 1864 Droitwich vol 6c page 478


Jeemy

[MarkJ]

first quarter 1864
Droitwich 6c 478

John Hopkins and Hannah Turner.

FreeBMD.

It would be worth getting the marriage certificate if this looks like the right people.

Mark

[MarkJ]

Jeremy beat me to it!

[bumblebee]

There is this one

Hannah Turner 1864 Q1Droitwich
County: Hereford and Worcester, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 478

John Hopkins other name on page

Bumblebee

[bumblebee]

Well fairly conclusive then, that will teach me to drift off and make a coffee.....

Bumblebee.

[ruthm]

|jumphappy
Thanks!!!

looks like she was quick off the mark, her first husband Richard b 1806 stanford bishop herefordshire, seems to have only just died-
jan/feb/mar 1864
Ledbury vol 6a page 364
unless, of course you know better;) They [richard & hannah],were married in 1861 anyway!

can i be cheeky & ask where & how you found it?? I'm learning as i go along here!

[jeeb]

Hi Ruth,

Are you sure you have the correct marriage in 1861 to Richard Turner. The 1871 census shows 18 year old Thomas Turner as son, ie born 1853!

Jeremy

[bumblebee]

Just going to say the family are on the 1851 and the 1841 census, unless he has married two different Hannah's.

Bumblebee

[jeeb]

Hi Ruth,
Richard Turner is with a wife Hannah in 1841/51 and it seems it is the same woman, similar age range and born Linton. If this is your Hannah then the first known child was Charles Turner born 1836. You may need to go back to the 'drawing board' with this one.

Jeremy

[MarkJ]

|jumphappy
Thanks!!!

looks like she was quick off the mark, her first husband Richard b 1806 stanford bishop herefordshire, seems to have only just died-
jan/feb/mar 1864
Ledbury vol 6a page 364
unless, of course you know better;) They [richard & hannah],were married in 1861 anyway!

can i be cheeky & ask where & how you found it?? I'm learning as i go along here!

Not sure what the others did, but I simply went to FreeBMD and put in John Hoskins and entered Turner as the surname of the wife, then put in dates between 1861 and 1871 - then hit enter!

It is like many things - you get used to finding likely matches quite quickly after a while. Knowing what details to put in and what to leave out is useful - Hannah could be mis-spelt as Anna, Ann,Anne,Hanna .... so it is a good idea to pick whichever name is least likely to be misinterpreted.

Mark

[ruthm]

doh!

i need to re-phrase! I meant that Richard & Hannah were married in 1861, not that they married in 1861.

double doh!!
i'll try again, does'nt read right!

that they were already married in 1861, not that they got married in 1861. I think they actually married in the 1820,s or there abouts according to a transripted record at IGI.

Free bmd's, thanks I'll have a look, i used the bmd lancashire with great sucess for m-i law's family - looks as if i've missed a whole new load of data at freebmd!

[MarkJ]

FreeBMD is just another tool in the box. Lancs BMDs are great for some things, but for countrywide searches, the other BMD records may be more suitable. FreeBMD is not complete - it is fairly good up to around 1900, then it is much less likely that the records you want will have been placed on line yet.

If you look around the forum, you will find mention of other resources - the FreeCen (census), various specific area resources for counties and other little tips like the Commonwealth War Graves Commision etc.
The IGI has been covered many times on the forum. A great tool, but be aware that there are transcibed records - taken from the original records, and the submitted records. The submitted records vary in their reliability. Having said that, ALL records you find on the interwebby should, if at all possible, be cross referenced with other sources - ideally the originals! Note that the IGI is not a full list - some churches refused to allow their documents to be photographed and recorded by the LDS.
Also remember that the LDS website contains, as well as the IGI, the 1880 USA census and the 1881 UK census - which is very useful at times!

Plus of course - there is this forum :)

Mark

[ruthm]

Thanks Mark, Its one big learning experience all this, i'm just getting used to the acronyms!
oh & this forum............its great!