In 1841 John Warren was a what???

[Trish]

I hope someone can help me out with this...

On the 1841 census, John Warren's occupation is hard to decipher. I also can't quite make out his address: Port? View? House?

Can anyone help?

Reference:
Class HO107; Piece 263; Book 12; Folio 10; Page 14
Second column, first name.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Trish

[Sue Mackay]

I think it's Ind for Independent. John Jun is a clergyman. Looks like Port Vue House but could be Portview.

[Davran]

The address is definitely Port View House and the occupation looks like IND (independent) to me. If you scroll down to the bottom of the page Albert Livinson has the same occupation.

[Trish]

Thank you Sue and Davran. That does the trick. Looks like the address is definitely Port View House and his occupation was "Ind". I was so stuck on that first letter being a "T"

Too bad he's independent in 1841 and not listed as something which would tell me what his occupation may have been at an earlier stage of life. I guess I'm lucky just to have found him!

Thanks again.

Trish

[Jan1954]

Too bad he's independent in 1841 and not listed as something which would tell me what his occupation may have been at an earlier stage of life.

Any clues on his children's baptisms?

Jan

[Sue Mackay]

Have you tried looking for his son, either in Crockfords or in the list of Oxford/Cambridge alumni? Most vicars went to university and the father is often mentioned.

[Wirral]

Which parish was John jnr a clergyman for? There is a John WARREN b. abt.1814 at Oxford University, son of John, who became Rector of Bawdrip, Somerset. His father & son were also Rectors there.

[Trish]

Any clues on his children's baptisms?

JanWell, I guess that's an idea, Jan! Duh. I had not thought of doing that since they all seem to have been born pre-1837, going by iffy IGI records.

Any advice on how to go about getting Devonshire baptism records [from afar] would be very much appreciated!

Trish

[Trish]

Which parish was John jnr a clergyman for? There is a John WARREN b. abt.1814 at Oxford University, son of John, who became Rector of Bawdrip, Somerset. His father & son were also Rectors there. Wirral, I really don't know. I only just found this 1841 census record which is a pretty dead on match for my John Warren and Frances Stribling. I have an IGI record which shows their son John's christening as 1814 at Ottery Saint Mary, Devon [Batch # POO2761]. I had not connected them with the clergy until now. So I'm a bit baffled!

Trish

[AnnB]

The Devon Family History Society publishes booklets of Baptisms, Marriages and Deaths. Take a look at their web site. Hope there might be something there to cover what you are after :)

Best wishes
Ann

[Trish]

Have you tried looking for his son, either in Crockfords or in the list of Oxford/Cambridge alumni? Most vicars went to university and the father is often mentioned.No, I had not. Up to now, the line I was following back are farmers and gardeners so this is a new one for me. How do I look up -- can I do online?

Thanks, Sue.

Trish

[Trish]

The Devon Family History Society publishes booklets of Baptisms, Marriages and Deaths. Take a look at their web site. Hope there might be something there to cover what you are after :)

Best wishes
AnnThank you, Ann. Great site. I'll be there awhile!

Trish

[Wirral]

I have an IGI record which shows their son John's christening as 1814 at Ottery Saint Mary, Devon [Batch # POO2761].
That looks like the same family.. From The Oxford University Alumni:
"WARREN, John, 1s John of Ottery St Mary,Devon, D.D. Exeter Coll. matric. 13 June 1832 age 18; B.A. 1836, rector of Bawdrip, Somerset 1855 until his death 13 May 1886, father of John M.."
"WARREN John, s. Robert of Ottery St Mary, Devon, gent, Oriel Coll. matric. 29 Oct 1801 aged 19, B.A. 1805, M.A. 1810, B. & D.D. 1820 rector of Bawdrop Somerset 1844 until his death 24 Nov 1847.

[Sue Mackay]

rector of Bawdrip, Somerset 1855 until his death 13 May 1886, father of John M.

And the John M is probably John Maturin Warren, listed in Crockfords 1896 on Findmypast as rector of Bawdrip from 1886

See also
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=18636

[Trish]

That looks like the same family.. From The Oxford University Alumni:
"WARREN, John, 1s John of Ottery St Mary,Devon, D.D. Exeter Coll. matric. 13 June 1832 age 18; B.A. 1836, rector of Bawdrip, Somerset 1855 until his death 13 May 1886, father of John M.."
"WARREN John, s. Robert of Ottery St Mary, Devon, gent, Oriel Coll. matric. 29 Oct 1801 aged 19, B.A. 1805, M.A. 1810, B. & D.D. 1820 rector of Bawdrop Somerset 1844 until his death 24 Nov 1847.Wow, you're marvelous, Wirral!

If I interpret the latter statement correctly, John Warren was son of Robert of Ottery St. Mary, gentleman, and he [John] was born about 1782. Where I get a little confused -- and where my ignorance of the area and the times rears up -- is the Bawdrop, Somerset bit since the family seems to have stuck to Devon.

The timing for the elder John's death fits -- he died between the 1841 and 1851 censuses. In 1851, his wife Frances is in Heavitree, Devon at the same address as in 1841, I believe -- next to the vicarage. BTW, She has a decidedly strange "occupation": "Housed Dividends + Interest of Money" [Ref: HO107/1866 Folio 399 Page 1].

I guess it's possible that John and Frances moved to Bawdrop Somerset and then, upon John's death, Frances returned to Heavitree. Guess I'm going to have to do some research on clergymen.

Family folklore has it that, at some time in the past, a Quaker ran off with a Huguenot and was disowned by her parents. I don't know if this gets me any closer or not!!!

Trish

[Trish]

And the John M is probably John Maturin Warren, listed in Crockfords 1896 on Findmypast as rector of Bawdrip from 1886

See also
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=18636 Once again, thanks, Sue! You are a wealth of knowledge. You did wonders for another branch of my tree awhile back. Much appreciated!

Trish

[AnnB]

Hello Trish

I've found these in the birth, marriage and death notices for the North Devon Journal, which we have transcribed from 1824-1849. The date is the date of the paper.

23.5.1833 -On Thursday, at Heavitree, by the Rev. E.T. Allen, Henry Anthony Farrington Esq., eldest son of Sir Henry Farrington Bart., of Spring Lawn, to Frances Elizabeth, eldest daughter of the Rev. Dr Warren, of Portview.
6.4.1827 - On Saturday last, at Port View, Heavitree, Gwen Agnes, 2nd daughter of the Rev. Dr Warren, aged 6 years 5 months.
19.9.1839 - Sept. 11, at Portview, Heavitree, deeply regretted, Mary Jane, youngest daughter of the Rev. J. Warren D.D.
19.1.1843 - On Tuesday 17th inst., at Portview, Frances Elizabeth, wife of Sir Henry Farrington Bart., of Gosford and last surviving daughter of the Rev. Dr and Mrs Warren.

There notices for the births of several children to Frances and Sir Henry Farrington - just shout if you want those.

Best wishes
Ann

[Trish]

Hello Trish

I've found these in the birth, marriage and death notices for the North Devon Journal, which we have transcribed from 1824-1849. The date is the date of the paper.

23.5.1833 -On Thursday, at Heavitree, by the Rev. E.T. Allen, Henry Anthony Farrington Esq., eldest son of Sir Henry Farrington Bart., of Spring Lawn, to Frances Elizabeth, eldest daughter of the Rev. Dr Warren, of Portview.
6.4.1827 - On Saturday last, at Port View, Heavitree, Gwen Agnes, 2nd daughter of the Rev. Dr Warren, aged 6 years 5 months.
19.9.1839 - Sept. 11, at Portview, Heavitree, deeply regretted, Mary Jane, youngest daughter of the Rev. J. Warren D.D.
19.1.1843 - On Tuesday 17th inst., at Portview, Frances Elizabeth, wife of Sir Henry Farrington Bart., of Gosford and last surviving daughter of the Rev. Dr and Mrs Warren.

There notices for the births of several children to Frances and Sir Henry Farrington - just shout if you want those.

Best and wishes
AnnAnn, I really appreciate you digging these out for me because it confirms a nagging suspicion I was developing that I had a weak link with these particular Warrens. Drat.

My Agnes Brighton nee Warren died in 1878. Obviously, she couldn't be Rev. Dr. and Mrs Warren's daughter if Frances Elizabeth, their "last surviving daughter," died in 1843.

If I recall correctly, this connection [Frances Stribling + John Warren = Agnes Warren Brighton] was originally given to me by an OPC coordinator some time ago but I only just started looking into it this past weekend.

Guess it's time to spring for Agnes' birth record!

Thanks again.
Trish

[AnnB]

Oh well Trish - it sounds like it's back to the drawing board ;)

Glad to have helped - at least you won't waste your time chasing the good Reverend!

Best wishes
Ann