John Daly Armagh birth...army records?1914-1918

[mentorscotus]

I an searching for John Dalys details.He was born in Tullysaran I believe,son of Luke Daly and Mary nee Lappin.He was born in August 1880 and moved to Scotland later where he worked in the heavy industries of Old Monkland and married Bridget Bennett of Coatdyke in 1902.
Later he was in the Army and as far as I know, died or went missing presumed dead in the Dardanelles Campaign, round about 1915 I think.Sadly his children had no information on this.They were too young and their mother had a breakdown, so the grandparents never spoke of it.
My problem is what regiment was John in,service number unknown,date of death unknown.Perhaps his Irish relations kept his memory alive with photos,etc
Please please help trace my grandfathers details if you can

[Trish]

I an searching for John Dalys details.He was born in Tullysaran I believe,son of Luke Daly and Mary nee Lappin.He was born in August 1880 and moved to Scotland later where he worked in the heavy industries of Old Monkland and married Bridget Bennett of Coatdyke in 1902.
Later he was in the Army and as far as I know, died or went missing presumed dead in the Dardanelles Campaign, round about 1915 I think.Sadly his children had no information on this.They were too young and their mother had a breakdown, so the grandparents never spoke of it.
My problem is what regiment was John in,service number unknown,date of death unknown.Perhaps his Irish relations kept his memory alive with photos,etc
Please please help trace my grandfathers details if you canI see Bridget on the 1901 census. [Ref. Parish: Old Monkland; ED: 15; Line 13; year: 1901] Her father is an "Assurance Agent". Do you have this information?

The only 21-ish year old John Daly born in Ireland that I can see on the census at a quick scan is living in Dumbarton. Curiously or coincidentally, he is listed as an "Insurance Agent". [Ref. Parish: Dumbarton; ED: 13; Line: 12; Year: 1901] Do you think he could be yours?

Regards,
Trish

[Trish]

Oh, this could be him in 1901: transcribed as John Dalay, 22, born in Ireland, working as a Tube Works Labourer and boarding with a family at 340b Main Street, Old Monkland. [Parish: Old Monkland; ED: 14; Line: 4; Year: 1901]

HTH,
Trish

[Trish]

In regards to John Daly's war service, have you checked out the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website at http://www.cwgc.org/? You can search for names on the site. There are 74 J. Dalys listed for WWI so it would help if you knew regiment he may have served with.

Good luck,
Trish

[peter nicholl]

Hi mentorscotus
The CWGC site has 2 John Dalys who died in the Dardenelles in 1915. However, Soldiers Died in the War has 3.
John Daly, Private, 8th Battalion, Cameronians (Scottish Rifles), enlisted Glasgow, Service No. 9499, KiA 28 June 1915, Gallipoli;
John Daly,Private, 5th Battalion Royal Irish Regiment, Age 34, Service No 43, Died 16 August 1915, Gallipoli, Son of John Daly, Knocktopher, Co. Kilkenny; and
John Daly, Private, 1st Battalion Royal Munster Fusiliers, enlisted Wakefield, Service No. 2542, KiA 27 November 1915, Gallipoli.
Hopefully your search has narrowed a bit and you could try the National Archives Docs on Line for their Medal Cards (£3.50 a go), or you may get lucky and find they are on the same card. Also, their Service Records may have survived and are at Kew.
HTH
Peter

[peter nicholl]

Hi again
Just cross referenced Old Monkton and Barony ( shown as the Birthplace of Daly J 9499) and they are next to each other 4 3/4 miles SE of Glasgow. Birthplace details are often a bit sketchy, so of the 3 , this could be your man.
Peter

[mentorscotus]

I will do checks on these today.Thank you Trish for all your research on this.As you say Trish...the John who is a boarder on the 1901 census sounds as if it could be him.You have no idea how finding these tiny clues is so exciting.Probably because even his children did not remember much due to their ages.
Also Peter you have done such a lot of research here.I suppose it helps knowing where to look and you have given me food for thought on this front.The one with the Barony detail may be a lead.Perhaps after he married he went to live in that catchment.I just wish we had information about his regiment...but unfortunately it is working in the dark there.
I am hoping the N.Ireland link of his birth in Co Armagh may jog a connection with Daly ancestors from Tullysaran or Clonfeacle...fingers crossed.
Thank you both ..I will check these and get back on this.

[mentorscotus]

Thank you Trish.I checked the 1901 cenus online in Scotlands people.I have looked there before but had tried every spelling of Daly but that one.This certainly looks like my grandfather.Thanks again.
Peter,there was a John Daly who was born in Barony in the 1891 census.He also had a son of the same name.I believe John( Senior) was born there in 1871 making him ten years older than my John.The man in the Barony district was in the army at some point too.
My John however was born in Co Armagh in August 1880.....I felt sure that 9499 was my John especially as the Cameronians were a local regiment....I dont suppose records could get mixed up?????
So much of this is conjecture since I have no regimental details.

Onward and upward....I shall try the web sites you both recommended and perhaps he will emerge.Were missing presumed dead on any particular register?I may try that as we are checking anyway.

[mentorscotus]

|help|Anyone able to shed light on John Daly of Tullysarans time in the Royal Irish Fusiliers?????|help|

[mentorscotus]

Recently,a poster directed me to another soldier called John Daly.(This time his surname was spelled Daily.)He lived in Coatbridge,Lanarkshire and enlisted at Hamilton.I found it strange that he was not in the Cameronians(as that is the local Lanarkshire regiment)He was in the Royal Irish Fusiliers and fell in France and Flanders in July 1918.The C.W.G.C. site had his place of birth as Tartlaghan,Co.Tyrone.
The service number is different from the previous one I had.
My John Daly was living at Charter School Lane,Armagh; with his parents Luke and Mary nee Lappin.I wondered if he was in fact born at Tartlaghan in 1880 and moved home within days of his birth.
Where can I get information on his service?There is very little on the Medal Roll....nothing on Ancestry.....and only the few clues on the C.W.G.C. SITE.
Would the Royal Irish Fusiliers have details......where?
Anyone have access to Armagh newspapers of the era....do they tell anything about this local soldier?
Desperately seeking detail on my grandfathers life and service....
Can anyone fill the blanks?????|help|
Thank you in advance of any help with this puzzle.:)

[mentorscotus]

I have been in touch with the R.I.F.Museum and a researcher there is looking at a link on a John Daly,(though their spelling is different),which may be the right man.If so I shall post a follow up to update everyone who helped me get to this point in my search.Thanks all.|hug|

[mentorscotus]

[QUOTE=mentorscotus;121191]I an searching for John Dalys details.He was born in Tullysaran I believe,son of Luke Daly and Mary nee Lappin.He was born in August 1880 and moved to Scotland later where he worked in the heavy industries of Old Monkland and married Bridget Bennett of Coatdyke in 1902.
Later he was in the Army and as far as I know, died or went missing presumed dead in the Dardanelles Campaign.



Robert Cassells at the R.I.F. Museum in Armagh has helped me trace Johns service.He died in France/Flanders in 1918....and not in the Dardannelles as family folklore had it.Perhaps he fought there and later went to France.Thanks to all who posted.

[mentorscotus]

|banghead|The man whose record is the one above seemed to fit the bill.. except that a Daniel Daily ,claiming to be his father , who was living in a Coatbridge boarding house after WW1, then moved to Ann St Dungannon...asked for his medals.Daniel seemed to have a daughter Mary Ann who married a man called Donnelly from Redlands,Co Tyrone.Is MY John not the man above after all....or is Daniel an uncle or great uncle who was claiming the medals for the family.....or what..... :confused::confused::confused:

[mentorscotus]

Seems like it is back to the start, on the search for my grandfather.|computer|
Did John Daly,son of Luke Daly,and Mary Lappin born in Armagh in 1880actually survive WW1?:)
If so what happened to him and his wife Bridget nee Bennett.|help|
Have searched Scotlands People Death records and Ancestry also.My father John and his siblings Mary and Luke were raised by their maternal grandmother Lizzie Bennett in East Stewart St Coatdyke ,next door to their old family home.

I have asked elderly local worthies from that area ,but it seems that most of the old neighbours are either dead or the younger ones dispersed.

It looks as if the man I thought was him was a Daily from Co.Tyrone whose father Daniel also lived and worked in Coatdyke at the same time as John my grandfather.
Help help help.....where to next.....|banghead|

[Procat]

Seems like it is back to the start, on the search for my grandfather.|computer|
Did John Daly,son of Luke Daly,and Mary Lappin born in Armagh in 1880actually survive WW1?:)
If so what happened to him and his wife Bridget nee Bennett.|help|
|banghead|

A search of the Soldiers Died Great War CD failed to find a death of a John Daly born in Armagh. Having said that there were several who did not have a place of birth recorded.

[mentorscotus]

Thank you Doug.
I have researched my in-laws back to 1485 in England with very little probs.
However when it comes to my grandfather it has been ...blind alleys.....red herrings...hopes raised and dashed ....you know the sort of thing.|banghead|
It is difficult when there is very little real family history to go on.Dad raised by gran.....people did not discuss illness,death etc with youngsters then.Family folklore suggested their mother had a nervous breakdown.....she was not in dads memory anyhow sadly.Folklore also suggested, his father had died in the war....but since I found information in the book|book| Coatbridge Men of the Great War that suggests he may have in fact survived,I have redoubled my efforts to find clues to his whereabouts.Oviously the Scotland 1921 Census wont be available for a long time.
So far no trace on Death records,Medal cards etc

It is back to the drawing board...I wish my dad had passed on the merest clue about the family but as he is deceased now it is down to me to pursue this to the end.

[mentorscotus]

Have gone full circle and am able to eliminate the John Daily R.I.F 24896 from my research despite many similarities to my grandfather.
My John Daly,son of Luke and Mary nee Lappin of Armagh city may it now transpires have even survived WW1.
Never-the-less I CANNOT find his death certificate nor his wife Bridget nee Bennetts death certificate either.My father and his siblings were definitely raised by their maternal grandmother Lizzie Bennett nee Lawson at East Stewart St Coatdyke,OLD MONKLAND.
So what happened to John and Bridget Daly post WW1?
I AM BAMBOOZLED....|computer|

[Paulbenn]

Hello,
I just found out about your interest in "Bennett" and in East Stewart Street / Stewart Street in Cliftonhills, Old Monkton, Lanark. My own interest is that I have just begun to research my own family tree and have found Thomas Bennett son of William Bennett in that same place. I was just interested to ask if you have any other information about Bennett or Bennet family as it may give me a push along the way. I am English myself but now live in Southern Ireland with my Irish wife ! - odd how coincidences seem to spring up time and again in family histories. Thanks if you can help me - "not a bother" if you cannot !

[notanotherminer]

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