SMITH DONCASTER

[coalminer]

Hi this is coalminer

I am trying to trace my family tree my great grandfather was arthur sidney SMITH AS far I know he would have been born around 1870-1880 his family came from doncaster he married Henrietta Nezar round about 1900 as I am new to this I am not to sure how to go about tracing my family tree. Any help would be appreciated.

[Trish]

Hi this is coalminer

I am trying to trace my family tree my great grandfather was arthur sidney SMITH AS far I know he would have been born around 1870-1880 his family came from doncaster he married Henrietta Nezar round about 1900 as I am new to this I am not to sure how to go about tracing my family tree. Any help would be appreciated.Are you sure about Henrietta's surname? Would she have come from the Doncaster area, too? The Nezar name doesn't seem to exist -- at least, not in your given time frame and isn't showing up in any of the English census data or in the IGI.

At a glance, I also don't see a marriage record to a Henrietta around 1900 in around Doncaster.

Can we assume Arthur was born in the Doncaster area? There are a few Arthur Sidney Smiths born in Yorkshire on FreeBMD, including: one in Bradford in 1857, one in 1868 in Thorne, one in 1895 in Doncaster and one in 1898 in Rotherham. None match both your time frame and location exactly.

As you might guess, there are a few Arthur Smiths born around Doncaster between 1870 and 1880 so pinpointing which one might be yours could be tricky. Try taking a look at www.freebmd.org.uk (http://www.freebmd.org.uk).

Any idea what your great grandfather did for a living around the time of his marriage to Henrietta?

Regards,
Trish

[ChristineR]

:)Hi this is coalminer

I am trying to trace my family tree my great grandfather was arthur sidney SMITH AS far I know he would have been born around 1870-1880 his family came from doncaster he married Henrietta Nezar round about 1900 as I am new to this I am not to sure how to go about tracing my family tree. Any help would be appreciated.

Hi Coalminer

Welcome to the forum.

do you mean Doncaster in Australia? if so, which State. I know there is one in Victoria.

Christine

[christanel]

Hi coalminer
Having read ChristineR's message and noted your location all of the following may be irrelevant.
I have spent a couple of hours or so trying to find your Arthur Sidney Smith and Henrietta Nezar on Freebmd and census records for 1881 and 1901.
I can't find a marriage for an Arthur Smith and Henrietta. I used the surnames Nezar - none, Nazor 2 of but Laura and Victoria, Nazer - lots of but none of them Henrietta. I left the time frame open so all the entries on freebmd were covered.
Using Arthur's full name came up with numerous entries but no Henrietta.
Also no births for a Henrietta Nazor/nazer/nezar.
In the 1901 census there are four Arthur Smiths with a wife Henrietta but only one born in Yorkshire and that was in 1857. The only one in your time frame of 1870-1880 was in Surrey. This is assuming that they were married before 1901. (clutching at straws here)
Entering his name and born Doncaster but no wife's name entered brings up 11 Arthurs but only 3 in the time frame 1865 to 1880. One born Doncaster, one Arthur Edward born 1871 and one George Arthur 1874.
Too big a task to go looking for Arthur Smith for all counties - in Yorkshire alone there are 892 of them.
I do hope I haven't confused you too much I know my head is starting to spin.
Do you have any other small pieces of info that might help narrow the search?
Christina:confused:

[ChristineR]

I checked the Victoria BDMs, it is not Doncaster Victoria Australia after all.

However, I did come across the spelling of NEZZER as variation.

ChristineR :)

[Bo Peep]

Hi this is coalminer

I am trying to trace my family tree my great grandfather was arthur sidney SMITH AS far I know he would have been born around 1870-1880 his family came from doncaster he married Henrietta Nezar round about 1900 as I am new to this I am not to sure how to go about tracing my family tree. Any help would be appreciated.

|wave|Hello Coalminer and welcome to the Brit-Gen Forum. I hope you will enjoy being a part of our community.

I see Trish, ChristineR and Christina are all trying to assist you, so you are in good hands.

[coalminer]

I was refering to Doncaster in the UK. I have now find out that my great grand father Arthur Sidney Smith married my great grandmother Henrietta in Boksburg South Africa but i definitely know he was born around Doncaster I have also found out in the mean time that there was a will of Mrs Eveline Annie Webster who died in 1957 she lived at number 2 Station Road Hatfield she left money to the following smith"s George Edgar Smith, Frederick Tom Smith
Percy Charles Smith, Miss Millicent Smith only daughter of William G Smith Children of Harry Hawke Smith who was deceased The children being Hilda Bird amd Mrs Marion Cannon and Sidney Smith ( great grandfather ) children Percy Sidney T Smith( my grandfather) and Cecil Soer Smith . the Solicitors that handled her Estate were Kenyon,Son & Craddock then based in Doncaster .

My grandmother who was Percy Sidney T Smith wife thought that my great grandfather's family may have had to do with coal mines not too sure.

[christanel]

I think I have found your Arthur Sidney and his family in the 1881 census.
Father Thomas J Smith aged 44 BUT occupation butcher and cattle dealer. Wife Annie aged 47 born Bawtry. Now the children all born Hatfield. John E aged 20, Harry H aged 15, Arthur S aged 12 Frederick T aged 10, William G aged 8 and Percy C aged 5.
You can view the 1881 census free on the familysearch site. Reference is RG11/4696 folio 41 page 12.
Now here is the really good bit. Just a few doors along is Eveline A Smith age 14. She is with Mary A Soer, her aunt who is an inn keeper at the Ingram Arms born Wadworth and age 47. Ref. class RG 11 Piece 4697 folio 41 page 11. Again you can view it on familysearch website.
In 1891 Thomas and Annie are still in Hatfield and the children still living with them are Frederick T a butcher aged 20 William G and Percy C. Thomas is now a farmer and cattle dealer. Ref RG12/3869 folio 3 page 37
Eveline A Smith is still with her aunt who is still an Inn keeper but Mary has a new husband Tobias Barrett who is down as Inn keeper's assistant. He was born in Sutton Fen Lincolnshire.
The only names that I haven't turned up yet are Millicent, Hilda and Marion. I though they may have been born to Thomas and Annie after the 1891 census but they are not with them in 1901.
John, Harry and Arthur Sidney are not with them in 1891 so Arthur could already be in S. Africa.
This looks like Arthur Sidney's birth registration. Dec 1/4 1868 Reg district Thorne vol 9 page 598. If you order this - web site freebmd will tell you how - then it will give you the parents names and you will know for sure that you are on the right track.
What do you make of this? A likely looking bunch?
I can't help with S.Africa.
Christina

[christanel]

I have done some more hunting. census 1871 Ref RG10/4726 folio 42 page 11 Thomas J age 34 and Annie age 37 Thomas butcher and cattle dealer.
Sons John Edgar 10, Rowland SOER 8, Harry Hawk 5, EVELINE A 4, Arthur Sidney 2 Frederick Tom 6 months, also Henry Cooper Smith - nephew age 3 born Bawtry.
So Eveline Annie was their sister but why would the only female child of the family be given to Mary sometime between 1871 and 1881?
Another interesting find in 1861 ref RG9/3524 folio 51 page 10 Thomas J 24. Annie 28. John E 1 month BUT there are two visitors Emma SOER age 23 and Mary Soer 18 both farmer's daughters.
I went looking for Thomas J and Annie's marriage record and if you take a look on freebmd there are 5 marriages for a Thomas Smith and an Annie between 1858 and 1861 but there is only 1 marriage for a Thomas J and an Annie in June 1/4 1861 - which is after the census. The record says it is Thomas Jeptha.
So there is plenty for you to work on but I think your starting point has to be Arthur Sidney's birth certificate.
Christina:D

[coalminer]

I have done some more hunting. census 1871 Ref RG10/4726 folio 42 page 11 Thomas J age 34 and Annie age 37 Thomas butcher and cattle dealer.
Sons John Edgar 10, Rowland SOER 8, Harry Hawk 5, EVELINE A 4, Arthur Sidney 2 Frederick Tom 6 months, also Henry Cooper Smith - nephew age 3 born Bawtry.
So Eveline Annie was their sister but why would the only female child of the family be given to Mary sometime between 1871 and 1881?
Another interesting find in 1861 ref RG9/3524 folio 51 page 10 Thomas J 24. Annie 28. John E 1 month BUT there are two visitors Emma SOER age 23 and Mary Soer 18 both farmer's daughters.
I went looking for Thomas J and Annie's marriage record and if you take a look on freebmd there are 5 marriages for a Thomas Smith and an Annie between 1858 and 1861 but there is only 1 marriage for a Thomas J and an Annie in June 1/4 1861 - which is after the census. The record says it is Thomas Jeptha.
So there is plenty for you to work on but I think your starting point has to be Arthur Sidney's birth certificate.
Christina:D

I really appreciate the effort that you have gone to. You have given me alot of information that I can work with. I am so glad that I found this site. Tracing a persons ancestors can become quite addictive. Would you be
able to suggest a good software package to use to do research.

[christanel]

Hi coalminer.
Doing some hunting for you let me forget about my brick walls. I use ancestry for a vast majority of my research. I have a subscription to the uk stuff only and have found it very helpful even though there are some annoying mistakes. If you hunt the forums you will find some opinions of others on the various sites they find helpful. Actually just reading the forums is a great way to pick up tips.
What will be helpful is to type 'cindislist' into google and go through the sites listed there.
freebmd is a good starting place for birth, deaths and marriages but isn't complete yet. Ancestry has both freebmd and the complete GRO BMD which takes a more complicated route to searching for individuals. Then there is the familysearch.org site which is also very good and they have family research centres all over the world so possibly one close to you. Locations are given on the site.
It is possible to pay as you go on ancestry now as well as on findmypast but in the long run I find it easier and more convenient to pay an annual sub.
I could get really caught up in your search but that will only be depriving you of the fun of it. What you do have to remember is that you must be absolutely sure that you have the right families and the only way to do this is to buy birth, marriage and death certificates for the main individuals at the very least. Otherwise you could be barking up the wrong tree.;)
Oh and I nearly forgot - you could put your fledgling tree on genesreunited for a small annual fee and see if there is any one else researching the same family. You could do a preliminary search without joining to see if any of your names are on there.
good luck
Christina

[coalminer]

I will take your advice and have alook at the various sites. Both my husband and I are researching our different family so it is quite a thing to try and get time on the computer. Without your help I do not think I would have know where to start, You have been a big help

[christanel]

Hi coalminer
glad to have got you started. Bit of a nuisance when two of you are on the same mission. If you want to know anything else or need copies of the information I have located so far just click on my name at the top left of my message and it will give you my email address. Good luck
Christina