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[Philip]

Hello All
Philip here, trying to investigate the Springall family history,George Springall (GS)b. 1813. who I know for sure moved from Norfolk to the strand London, according to the 1851 census.

I have discovered George Springall lived in Stratton St Mary (aka Long Stratton) Depwade in 1841- but is not there in 1845, nor are the family he has mentioned in the 1851 census with 3 off spring & wife Elizabeth. I have not found an exact match with dates regarding GS

I know there are other Springall's in the Norfolk area, but have failed to make any other positive links.

If anybody could offer any ideas, I would be grateful, thanks, Philip

[Bo Peep]

|wave|Hello Philip and welcome to the Brit-Gen forum. I hope you will enjoy being a part of our community and get some help with your research.

[Geoffers]

George Springall (GS)b. 1813. who I know for sure moved from Norfolk to the strand London, according to the 1851 census.

Does the 1851 census give his birthplace, or does it just record Norfolk?

Were the three children born in London or Norfolk?
When and where was the oldest child born?
What I am hoping is that George married sometime after the introduction of civil registration and we can help you to locate the marriage certificate. If the marriage was anytime after the introduction of civil registration then it should name his father and his father's occupation. That may then tie up with any parish records you can locate.

Is his the marriage in Mar qtr 1838 in Depwade RD?? Was his wife Phoebe PAGE??

I know there are other Springall's in the Norfolk area, but have failed to make any other positive links.

Whatever you do, keep a record of them along with references so that you can locate them again. Though SPRINGALL is a frequently occurring name throughout Norfolk.

[Philip]

Hi Geoffers
Yes I now realise how many Springalls where around! the 1851 census has been quite a revelation to us. but because of the number of Springalls pre 1851 I have had a couple of dead-end leads. So from the 1851 census, i can assertain that George & wife Elizabeth both 38, both born Norfolk, no more concise detail.
Details on census= 14 Wyche Street, St Clement Dane, Westminster


Eldest child Ann E aged 18 b. Norfolk
George 17 b. ''
Mary A 12 b. Suffolk
Harry 10 b. Westminster
Edward 8 b. ''
Robert 6 b. ''
Sanne 4 ''
Eleanor 1 ''
I'm not sure but there may of been elder children i.e. Edward 24 & Mary 20
Thanks, Philip

[Copper]

Have you got the birth certificate for one of their children? This would give you the maiden name of Elizabeth.

[Geoffers]

You mentioned......

I have discovered George Springall lived in Stratton St Mary (aka Long Stratton) Depwade in 1841- but is not there in 1845, nor are the family he has mentioned in the 1851 census with 3 off spring & wife Elizabeth

and that the 1851 census records these two children..........

Mary A 12 b. Suffolk
Harry 10 b. Westminster

Bearing in mind the frequency of the surname SPRINGALL in Norfolk, are you sure that it is your George in Depwade? The births of the above children would hint towards him being in either Suffolk, or London........somewhere.........searching the 1841 census I found:

HO107/673/7 f38 p69
Little Wild Street, Finsbury St.Giles
George SPRINGELL, 25, engineer
Elizabeth SPRINGELL, 25
George SPRINGELL, 8
Ann SPRINGELL, 9
Mary Ann SPRINGELL, 2
Henry SPRINGELL, 3mth

I'd go with Copper's suggestion of looking for a birth certificate for one of the children

Do you have this family in any later census returns which give birthplaces?

[Philip]

I did think that south norfolk would make sense regarding George, as 1851 does say b. Norfolk for both and no I may well be wrong about the depwade area.
Intresting you have found George SPRINGELL 25 and Elizabeth SPRINGELL 25, on the 1851 George SPRINGALL is recorded as being an engineer, age 38 -both

Have yet to find later entry

P

[Copper]

I searched the IGI and to my surprise came up with these extracted bpts

All baptised 26 Feb 1860 at St Clement Danes, Westminster. The parents are George Robinson Springall & Ann Elizabeth.

Ann Elizabeth born 27 Jan 1832
Eleanor born 29 June 1849
Robert born 19 June 1845
Samuel born 31 May 1847
William born 6 Sep 1851
Harriett born 26 Mar 1855

I think that we might be on to something with these.

I have not been able to find them in a later census either.

[Copper]

After a short break for a spot of decorating I have searched a census again for these Springalls. I just had to tell you about these -

RG10/645 Fol 13 Page 19
Rotherhithe, Kent
Robert Springall, head, mar, age 25, born St Clement Danes, occ Engineer at Rollis'? Factory

RG10/ 1623 Fol 39 Page 21
West Ham, Essex
Samuel Springall, head, mar, age 23, born St Clement Danes, occ Engine Fitter

Do you see a common theme here? If I find anything else I will post it here.

[Copper]

Here is some more of the family in 1871

RG10/ 363 Fol 26 Page 13
Westminster

Edward Springall, head, mar, 28, born St Clement Danes, occ Steam engine maker employing 2 men and 2 boys.
Also with him were -
his mother - Ann Springall, mar, age 59, born Yarmouth, Norfolk
his sister Eleanor Springall, age 21, born St Clement Danes
his brother William Springall, age 19 born St Clement Danes, occ Steam engine fitter

I can't find any member of this family in 1861.

I hope that this helps.

[Geoffers]

This is pure supposition to try and get a lead to work on in Norfolk. It may lead to something or you may be able to show it is the wrong direction fairly simply and so discount it and several other Norfolk SPRINGALLs living in London.

In the census returns for George SPRINGALL (b1813-ish Norfolk), his wife, children and apparent grandchildren, several names repeatedly crop up in the male line - George, William, Edward. I got to wondering if George either preceded or followed other SPRINGALLs to London and if these were names which repeated in other branches of the family.

George's eldest son (George bc1832) seems to appear in 1871 at RG10/1541 f52 p10 sch64 in St George in the East, his birthplace recorded as Sudbury, Suffolk and he was a gatekeeper at a lock.

There are a couple of other George's in the same census, bn c.1839 and c.1848, also a William bn c. 1821 - all in or around London and an Edward bn c.1800 in Norfolk. There is a common birthplace with all of these, a small village about 10 miles NNW of Norwich called Sall (also spelt Salle). In the 1820s-30s it would be simple for someone in Sall to get to Aylsham and then passage along the Bure to Yarmouth where a young lass - perhaps called Elizabeth, might give you the glad eye

If you have time and the opportunity, it may be worthwhile checking the parish registers to see if there was a George baptised there around 1813-ish - if only to disprove the connection.

[Copper]

I am feeling a bit dim today so correct me if I am wrong.

If Philip has researched his Springall line in a structured (I like that word :D) way he should have marriage and birth certificates. From these he should know the occupation of his George. If he is an engineer then my finds look promising.

Even promising finds have to be proved. Proof is always the key in this hobby.

[Geoffers]

I am feeling a bit dim today so correct me if I am wrong. If Philip has researched his Springall line in a structured way he should have marriage and birth certificates. From these he should know the occupation of his George. If he is an engineer then my finds look promising.
Even promising finds have to be proved. Proof is always the key in this hobby.

No, I quite agree, he needs the certificates first - follow a structured format and prove links. What happened to George that he doesn't appear after 1861 - did he pop his clogs?

BUT - in an idle moment I got to thinking how I might point him towards an area of Norfolk in which to hunt his SPRINGALL family as they seem to have left the county by 1841 and the 1851 census only records Norfolk as a birthplace. Your find of his wife/widow as being born in GtYarmouth begins to give a clue. What I have written is pure speculation, but once the certificates have been obtained, it a way of trying to then move things on - but it might well be wrong. It's an attempt to give him hope that there is a way of finding which of the 750 parishes in Norfolk his family came from.

[Copper]

Ok. Thanks for that I was beginning to think that I had lost the plot.

I hope that Philip comes back and tells us if we were correct.

[Philip]

Hope the Springall's did not interfere with the decorating to much! but am over the moon at the fact you have found out the engineering link plus whole lot more. Funny I had already come across the west-ham 'springalls' with out making a connection, mainly due to my lack of experiance with this brilliant new hobbie of mine!

Yes I intend to look at the Norfolk parish Registers in the near future, and will let you know what comes of it.

Thanks - Philip

[dratsab]

Hello Philip

I am new to this forum but I have been researching my families for nearly 17 years. The Springall family you are researching is one of these. My ancestor is William, the brother of the George of 'the Strand'.

I am very hesitant to give you too much information as, in my experience, the greatest pleasure in FH comes from discovering things for oneself. However if you would like to have the full works I can take the family back to the end of the 17th century.

As you have discovered, the Springall name is, historically, more prevalent in Norfolk than any other county although it did crop up, quite independently, in other counties. Your George was born in Great Yarmouth:-

23/10/1812 Baptism of George Springle alias G. Rounce, Son of George & Charity (maiden name Boyce) born 19/10/1812 private baptism. Great Yarmouth. St Nicholas Great Yarmouth Parish Register

and his parents were married in the same church:-

1/1/1812 George Springall - alias George Rounce of this Parish Bachelor and Charity Boyce of the same place Spinster - were Married in this Church by Banns - this First - Day of January in the Year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twelve By me Richd Turner BD Minr. This Marriage was solemnized between Us George Springall (signed), Charity Boyces (mark) In the Presence of John Tooly (signed), Mary Ann Boyces (mark), St Nicholas Great Yarmouth Parish Register

George Rounce Springall was a whitesmith and his forebears back to his great-grandfather were all blacksmiths.

George Rounce Springall's sons (he had 10!) basically followed the same trade and most of them became involved in Railway engineering. One of his grandsons designed and built the first railway locomotive to be constructed in Queensland, Australia.

Please let me know how you would like to receive further information. If you don't want any more information, just one clue - don't assume that the family originated in Norfolk. I assumed that and wasted several years.

[alyson]

I'm also looking at Springalls and with a lot of help I'm back to the 1700.
I'm descended from Frederick George Springall who came to Australia and built the railway engine.
I can't find the baptism of Hannah Maria Kemp who married John Rounce Springall in 1836 and wonder if anyone can help.
I have a lot about Australian Springalls if anyone is interested

[Dianne S]

g'day just starting out with tracing my family tree
and yes im a springall first generation aussie family from westham
great to find a forum about the family name