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Kerbent
06-11-2007, 04:51 AM
In my quest to verify the connection between several generations of my ancestral (Baker/Ebbott) family I have hit a brick wall, although I have a transcript of a will from a book that clearly establishes the connection I have been unable to find the original copy to verify this information.

I have been able to locate my ancestors tombstone in the Tremaine Church yard in Cornwall and thanks to a distant travelling relative I also have a photo.

The tombstone reads :- “Sacred / To the Memory of / John Ebbott of Westcott in this Parish / who finished his course May 29 1825 aged 73 years ./ ALSO in memory of WILMET his wife / Who departed this life on the 2? day of January 1845 / Aged 91 years”

Further research on the IGI reveals that John Ebbot married Wilmot Baker on 26 Jun 1775 in the same church in which they were eventually buried.. (I have not yet viewed the original church record of the marriage)

According to the book "Our Cornish Heritage Genealogies of Reed, Rowe, Ebbott and related families Immigrants to Jefferson County, Wisconsin" by S.D.Reed, when Wilmet’s father, John Baker, died she inherited the family farm “Westcott”. The notion that the John Ebbott owned or at least lived on “Westcott” is reinforced by its mention on the his gravestone.

The inheritance is further confirmed by the transcription of John Baker’s will, which according to S.D.Reed was proved on 23 October 1793 (page XI-22).

The will helps to verify three generations of the Baker-Ebbot lineage, by the use of such phrases as follows:-
Generation One
“I, John Baker”
“my wife Margery Baker”
Generation Two
“son-in-law, John Ebbott”
“daughter Wilmot Ebbott” (obviously wife of John Ebbott)
Generation Three
“grandson Phillip Ebbott”
“Elizabeth Ebbott”

The picture that I have been able to build of John BAKER’s descendants as outlined by his will (with the additional information from his gravestone. and other sources) is as follows.

First Generation
1. John BAKER was born circa 1730, died in Jul 1793 in Tremaine, Cornwall, at age 63, and was buried on 29 Jul 1793 in Tremaine Churchyard, Tremaine, Cornwall. John married Margery. Margery was born in 1731 and she was buried on 16 Aug 1815.
Children from this marriage were:

i. Wilmot BAKER was born in Feb 1752 in Tresmeer, Cornwall, christened on 4 May 1755 in Tremaine, , Cornwall, England, UK, died in 1845 in Cornwall, England, UK at age 93, and was buried on 2 Jan 1845.
ii. Mary BAKER

Second Generation
1. Wilmot BAKER married John EBBOT, son of Gregory EBBOTT and Dorothay UPTON, on 26 Jun 1775 in Tremaine, Cornwall, England.

Children from this marriage were:
i. Philip Upton EBBOTT was christened on 7 Feb 1776 in Tresmeer, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom, died on 20 May 1851 in Trerunmer, Tresmeer, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom at age 75, and was buried on 23 May 1851.
ii. Elizabeth EBBOTT was born on 30 Jan 1778 in Badharlick, Egloskerry, Cornwall, England, UK and was christened on 30 Jan 1778 in Tresmeer, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom.

3. Mary BAKER married John JOLIFFE
Children from this marriage were:
i. Mary JOLIFFE
ii. Grace JOLIFFE
iii. Richard JOLIFFE

I am interested in making contact with any other Ebbott/Baker researchers. I am also interested in how to go about finding the original document of John Baker’s will, any and all ideas welcome, I have done several searches (online) in the English archives but as yet have had no luck.

I'd also be interested in more information about the Baker family. They must have been quite wealthy as when I read the will it seems that John Baker left quite a bit of property to various descendants, this might mean there could be a paper trail of sorts.

Sandra

v.wells
06-11-2007, 06:54 PM
Devon Record may have a copy of the will. You email a request. they email back a cost and you pay it by mail and they send it. Haven't done it yet so don't know how long it takes.

I am researching Sarah Baker apparently of Clayhidon, Devon born c1814 married Samuel Stuart of Kilmington. Don't know if there is a connection as haven't been able to get that far back. I am waiting for Devon Parish index books that I just ordered. Will let you know if anything turns up.

My LDS info was unsourced, so it is unreliable. You might try the LDS site at familysearch.org. If you get a hit click on the batchfile, it goes to another screen and you can search the parishes.

Vanessa

jeeb
06-11-2007, 07:28 PM
I am interested in making contact with any other Ebbott/Baker researchers. I am also interested in how to go about finding the original document of John Baker’s will, any and all ideas welcome, I have done several searches (online) in the English archives but as yet have had no luck

Sandra

Hi Sandra,
You may need to prepare yourself to be disappointed here. The vast majority of Devon/ Cornwall & Somerset Wills were destroyed in the bombing raids on Exeter in WW2. All that survives in many cases is an index of names and if you are lucky like you seem to have been, you may find precis copies of some wills taken before the bombing.

Jeremy

Kerbent
07-11-2007, 07:44 AM
I am researching Sarah Baker apparently of Clayhidon, Devon born c1814 married Samuel Stuart of Kilmington. Don't know if there is a connection as haven't been able to get that far back. I am waiting for Devon Parish index books that I just ordered. Will let you know if anything turns up.

Vanessa

Hi Vanessa,

Thanks for your message. It will be interesting to see if you can turn up anything in the Devon Parish index books At present I can't see a connection between our trees. I have the following information on my Bakers, see below, as the parents only had girls (as far as I can tell) the surname isn't passed on to the next generation. Like you I have used the LDS info although mostly IGI. I have been lucky enough though to obtain one photo of the EBBOTT gravestone which helped to verify some of the information that I found. It's a pity I live so far away as it would have been good to get photos of all three headstones if they still survive.

This can be a very expensive hobby!

I will follow up with the Devon Record office after the expense of christmas is over, as a last resort if, I can't find it any other way. However when I went to their website they recommended A2A for wills which I haven't yet had any success for John Baker's.

Sandra

John BAKER(IGI) was born circa 1730, died in Jul 1793 in Tremaine, and was buried on 29 Jul 1793 in Tremaine Churchyard, Tremaine, , Cornwall, England (John Baker's Grave Stone in the Tremaine Churchyard).

John married Margery (IGI). Margery was born in 1731 and was buried on 16 Aug 1815(Gravestone Baker, Margery).

Children from this marriage were:
i. Wilmot BAKER(John Baker's will (Proved 23 October 1793)) was born in Feb 1752 in Tresmeer, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom, was christened on 4 May 1755 in Tremaine, , Cornwall, England, UK,(IGI) died in 1845 Cornwall, England (Freebdm) and was buried on 2 Jan 1845.(Gravestone of John Ebbott & Wilmet Ebbott) Wilmot married John EBBOT, son of Gregory EBBOTT and Dorothay UPTON, on 26 Jun 1775 in Tremaine, Cornwall, England, UK (IGI). John was christened on 13 Feb 1752 in Tresmeer, Cornwall, England,(IGI) died on 29 May 1825 in Tremaine, Cornwall, England (Gravestone of John Ebbott & Wilmet Ebbott) and was buried in Tremaine Churchyard, Tremaine, Cornwall, England(Gravestone of John Ebbott & Wilmet Ebbott)

ii. Mary BAKER(John Baker's will (Proved 23 October 1793)) Mary married John JOLIFFE (John Baker's will (Proved 23 October 1793))

Kerbent
07-11-2007, 07:55 AM
Hi Sandra,
You may need to prepare yourself to be disappointed here. The vast majority of Devon/ Cornwall & Somerset Wills were destroyed in the bombing raids on Exeter in WW2. All that survives in many cases is an index of names and if you are lucky like you seem to have been, you may find precis copies of some wills taken before the bombing.

Jeremy

Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for you reply. The book where I found the transcription of the will "Our Cornish heritage: Genealogies of Reed, Rowe, Ebbott and related families, immigrants to Jefferson County, Wisconsin" was published in 1979 so I am hoping that most of the research for the book was done after WW2, being a family historian has led me to being an eternal optimist.....
The author does not cite where he found the transcripton I just assumed he took it from the original record, but as you say I am lucky to have something which is far better than nothing. Will keep plodding away on my quest.

Sandra

Peter Goodey
07-11-2007, 11:12 AM
I can't claim to have read every word of this thread but the wills in question appear to be Cornwall ones.

The Cornish wills that were destroyed in the Exeter bombing were those that came under the jurisdiction of one of the Exeter courts. These include the 22 Cornish parishes in peculiars.

Wills from all other Cornish parishes (except PCC of course) should be at Cornwall Record Office.

Apologies if I haven't read the thread carefully enough.