Hello from Australia

[Kerbent]

Hi my name is Sandra,

As way of introduction I thought I’d describe how I became involved in the fascinating realm of genealogy.

I began my genealogical journey over 25 years ago before I turned 21. My grandmother had informed me that she would be dying soon as she was very “old”. Suddenly I realized that her old tin full of photographs had no labels or names on them, they were pictures of mostly unknown people. With a sense of urgency I began to visit her once a week trying to sort her photos and label them.

My Grandmother celebrated her 100th birthday on the 2nd June 2007, with almost all of her descendants celebrating with her.

When we sit and talk now I tease her about how she told me she was about to die those 25 years ago (she was in excellent health then as she is now), sometimes I tell her the things I’ve found in my research but we have a silent agreement she wants to hear only the good things not the bad (perhaps that’s why she lived so long?). She shakes her head with puzzlement at my interest in my family history.

I still feel that same sense of urgency that I did years ago but now I also feel a sense of responsibility of getting it all down and bringing it all together as one day I will that lady sitting in the recliner chair telling tales of things long ago. I will be giving sharing a box with CDs of pictures and copies of research and certificates, all pulled together in amateur stories for the next generation of grandchildren to reorganize and sort as they try to make sense how they fit into the larger story and prepare it once again to hand on to the next set of grandchildren.

Names I am researching:-
Maternal side:- Todman, Bassett, Ellis, Crump, Symons, Dutton, Carbis, Mitchell, Dutton, Dillon, Bartlett
Paternal side :- Williamson, Jacka, Ebbott, Walker, Munro, Jennings, Gill, Bennetts, Thomas, Knight, Nance, Moyses,
Husband’s tree:- Benton, Nichols, Lovell, Walker, Milligan, James

I live in a suburb of Melbourne Victoria, Australia. I have been researching my family history for over 20 years now and the more I information that I find the more intrigued I have become by what I’ve found.

Sandra

[tony vines]

Hi Sandra

Purely coincidence I'm sure but my employers use an organisation called Gill Jennings something or other to help with our IPR!

Good hunting

[justanne]

I have Williamsons in my family from Leicestershire. Any links ?
Anne

[Kerbent]

I have Williamsons in my family from Leicestershire. Any links ?
Anne

HI Anne,
My Williamson's originally came from Ireland possibly between 1841 and 1851 and settled in Maryport, Cumberland, England. Some of the family seem to have been stayed there for several generations, however my particular line appear to have migrated to Australia after finishing his apprenticeship in tailoring and just after marrying in the Holy Trinity Church, Hoxton, Middlesex, England in 1853. All John and Louisa's wre born in Australia.
Those Williamson's remaining behind in England were Thomas and wife Jane, and thier adult children, James who married Ann Fiddler, and Jane who appears to have been a single mum.
It would be great to come accross some else researching this line.
Sandra

[DerekHanley]

I am descended from Mitchell's and Jacka's... currently teaching in Korea... the more I look the more amazed I become with how expansive my family has become 54 families in my tree! Best wishes to all
Regards
Derek Hanley
Hello,
If Samual was born around 1771... I am descended from his older sister,Elizabeth b. 1756... his father was John Jacka b. 1726 and died 1773.... my records go back several more generations. I'd be very interested in an exchange of information.
Regards
Derek

[Beebee]

Hi Kerbent,

I have Knights and Lovells from Middlesex, and I know that at least one of my Lovells went to Australia in 1816, any link there?

[Kerbent]

If Samual was born around 1771... I am descended from his older sister,Elizabeth b. 1756... his father was John Jacka b. 1726 and died 1773.... my records go back several more generations

Hi Derek,
I don't seem to be able to identify your Jacka family on my tree however it might help if you give me a little more information.
There are several Jacka researchers that surmise that there are different clusters of Jacka’s in England.
And that these clusters can be identified by using naming patterns and geography as defining principles to identify various Jacka family groups.
Below is an outline of naming pattern "theory"

Naming Patterns 1700-1875
The first Son was named after the father’s father
Second son named after mother’s father
Third son named after the father
Fourth son named after father’s eldest brother
First daughter named after mother’s mother
Second daughter named after father’s mother
Third daughter named after mother
Fourth daughter named after mother’s eldest sister
Exceptions to the pattern occur when the naming system produced a duplication of names.
In that case, the name was taken from the next on the list.
Another break in the pattern could be caused by a death.
If a child died in infancy, then the parents would name the subsequent new born the same name.
(Taken from: Tracing your Origins. By Angus Baxter.)

Using the International Genealogical Index (IGI) a fellow researcher has labourously extract hundreds of people with Jacka surnames (although not all) he has managed to link together various Jacka families based on the patterns occurring in their offspring’s names.

On analysis they can be divided up into different groups according to particular naming patterns and occupation types.

The five groups so far identified are:-
Lands End
Land's End (Cornish name: Pedn a Wollaz) is a headland on the Penwith peninsula, located near Penzance, Cornwall, UK.

Common thread names
Abrahams
Joseph
Hugh
Common occupation
Working the land either as labourers or farmers

Mounts Bays
Common thread names
Humphrey
Benjamin
Nicholas
And further down the descendancy the name Peter and is introduced and the name Humphrey is dropped
Common occupation
Fishermen

Redruth (group 1)
Common thread names
Richard
David
Steven
Common occupation
Miners, blacksmiths, whitesmiths, stone masons

Redruth (group 2)
Originally from Perranzubloe before moving to Redruth
Common thread names
Walter
Samuel
Common occupation - not yet identified


Scatter group
Not yet identified as a single or multiple groups with distinguishing features

Of course this is only a theory a lot more work has yet to be done such as consulitng original records etc, but perhaps eventually if we can gather enough infomration and go back far enough they will link together?

From all of this information can you identiy which group your Jacka's might belong to?

Sandra

[Kerbent]

Hi Kerbent,

I have Knights and Lovells from Middlesex, and I know that at least one of my Lovells went to Australia in 1816, any link there?

Hello BeeBee,

The Lovell family that I am connected to through my husband arrived in Australia in 1913.
The original family came from around Acton, Middlesex and lived around Hammersmith and were involved in the Laundry business.

According to the 1891 Census it looks as if Francis Lovell owned his own laundry and his family were living at
161 Latimer Rd, Hammersmith, London, England
1. Francis Lovell, 64, laundry man, employer
2. Hannah Lovell 55, laundress, employee
3. Albert Lovell 19, General Labourer
4. Walter Lovell 17, General Labourer
5. Louise Lovell 10, General Labourer

It was Francis Lovell's granddaughter Louisa Lovell born 1889 who came out to Australia in 1913 and married George Walker.

Any connection?
Sandra

[Beebee]

Hello BeeBee,

The Lovell family that I am connected to through my husband arrived in Australia in 1913.
The original family came from around Acton, Middlesex and lived around Hammersmith and were involved in the Laundry business.

According to the 1891 Census it looks as if Francis Lovell owned his own laundry and his family were living at
161 Latimer Rd, Hammersmith, London, England
1. Francis Lovell, 64, laundry man, employer
2. Hannah Lovell 55, laundress, employee
3. Albert Lovell 19, General Labourer
4. Walter Lovell 17, General Labourer
5. Louise Lovell 10, General Labourer

It was Francis Lovell's granddaughter Louisa Lovell born 1889 who came out to Australia in 1913 and married George Walker.

Any connection?
Sandra

Hi Kerbent

It doesn't look like we have a link. Thomas Lovell went to Australia 1816, and my Lovell's are from the Stepney area and were not in the Laundry business. Thank you for reply.

[DerekHanley]

Hello Sandra,
I'm an old hand at research in general but a novice at genealogy... so the information you provide is much appreciated.... As to 'my' Jacka's... Common names in this branch are: Elizabeth, Mary, Samual, Jane, Grace Patience and by an outstanding majority, John. Most of this Jacka family group came from either Gwennup or Kea, near Truro.... Just from the little research I've done so far(230 or so names) I'm recognising particular patterns and can almost predict what the names of the kids will be. The men in the family were often copper and/or tin miners, and single girls were often employed on the surface in various capacities such as 'Lead Dressers".

Thanks again for your helpful responce|wave|
Derek

[Mia E]

Hi Sandra Welcome to forums, I also am a new member trying to find links to my family trees.
I have Duttons in my Paternal family, they originated in NSW moved to SA & back to Deniliquin NSW, one branch Charles Dutton moved to Queensland become a member of Parliment died in Tenterfield.
Any conections we might be able to link ?
Mia E

[Kerbent]

Hi Mia,

I have Duttons in my Paternal family, they originated in NSW moved to SA & back to Deniliquin NSW, one branch Charles Dutton moved to Queensland become a member of Parliment died in Tenterfield

My Duttons are a bit of a mystery, I have Thomas Henry Dutton who married a Mary Ann Dillon in East London in 1848. (When Thomas Dutton married Mary Anne Dillon he was a Widower, and was living at 17 Green Hills, Kents (taken from marriage certificate))

According to Mary Ann's death certificate they migrated out to Australia in 1857. Soon after they had a child call Catherine Dutton who was born in Geelong in 1858. By 1868 Thomas seems to have disappeared according to the newspapers "The case was adjourned until Wednesday, for enquiry as to the whereabouts of the child's father" From what I can make out he had disappeared. When Catherine was born her father was listed on her birth certificate as being from the 39th Regiment of Foot of which I have not been able to find much out about although I believe the Regiment may have accompanied convicts on their journey to Australia years before, the soldiers apparently came out in several groups aboard convict ships between 1825 and 1826.

I also have a mystery William Dutton who appears as a witness at Catherine's husbands parents wedding this could be either Thomas' father or brother. I have however found no further record mentioning him, a William Dutton.

So as you can see I have lot but not much if you know what I mean, some or none of which maybe true which makes it very frustrating.

My thomas was born ??, on his marriage certificate he was of full age, a drover by profession and his father's name was William Dutton a white smith.

It would be wonderful to find a connection with the Duttons as it might help me move past the brickwall that I seems to have encountered.

Sandra

[Mia E]

Hi Sandra;
I do not think there is a link on our Duttons, my line come from the Hunter river region of NSW and were squatters. no Thomas. I will keep looking for a link as I vaguely remember a Dutton who was a drover around the Silverton area NSW but I think that was around the1900s
could be a off spur
Mia

[mutt1]

Hi Herbent, please could you tell me if you have any Louisa Milligan`s in your research notes, she married Robert McLean but she unfortunately died about 1922/24, they lived in Wigtown Scotland.
Kind Regards Mutt1:)

[THE BARON]

Hi KERBENT, I see your hubby has a BENTON in his family tree as do we.
My wifes maiden name was BENTON from Sutton Coldfield West Midlands England UK.
Are your rootes in the UK? if so can you give me any idea of the area they hail from with in the UK.
THE BARON

[shertur]

Hi Kerbent

I would be interested to hear what you know about the Moyses family.

I don't know whether you are aware but there is a well-known Florist in London called Moyses Stevens (by appointment to the Queen etc!!)
My mother tells me there is a link between her family and the Moyses Stevens, but we don't know what the link is!

She thinks one of her father's brothers (Walter Matthews) married into the family. Walter was b. in 1868 and he married late in life (still single in 1911 census).

I don't suppose any of this makes sense to you??

Happy Christmas from a very cold southern England where it is about to snow.

Christine