Glenda's SMITH family - an update

[Londonwhay]

Well I am still learning as I go along folks. Geoffer's posted this:


GRO index of births

Jun 1870 SMITH, John Thomas, St.Geo East, vol 1c page 422

As before, be warned that these might not be the correct entries



So I ordered the certificate which arrived today. I was hoping to see the fathers middle name included, but it's not. So it gives me no clue as to whether it is the right SMITH, although the mother's first name IS Jane. I think though I should have ordered the following first, once again kindly posted by Geoffers:


GRO index of marriages

Sep 1869 SMITH Charles Millan Mile End vol 1c p944
Sep 1869 THOMSON Jane, Mile End vol 1c p944

Now they could come from two different marriages, but taking everything into account, there is now a fair bit of circumstantial evidence to suggest these relate to one entry - even down to your previous posting giving a second name of Miller, Millan isn't much different!
On relooking at the marriage certificate of Thomas Smith his father's name could as easily been Charles Millen SMITH as Charles Miller SMITH

Any more certificate ordering will now have to wait until after Christmas, but I will order the above marriage certificate and keep you updated.

Glenda


PS I have previewed the post and cannot get rid of the underlining !

[Geoffers]

[I ordered the certificate which arrived today. I was hoping to see the fathers middle name included, but it's not. So it gives me no clue as to whether it is the right SMITH, although the mother's first name IS Jane.]

Unfortunately it is often the case that only one forename is recorded (and not always the first forename, which can cause extra confusion) - However, is the mother's maiden Thomson/Thompson? If so, this would be more evidence to connect it to the marriage index entry.

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

PS I think you were correct to get the birth certificate first.

[Londonwhay]

[I ordered the certificate which arrived today. I was hoping to see the fathers middle name included, but it's not. So it gives me no clue as to whether it is the right SMITH, although the mother's first name IS Jane.]

Unfortunately it is often the case that only one forename is recorded (and not always the first forename, which can cause extra confusion) - However, is the mother's maiden Thomson/Thompson? If so, this would be more evidence to connect it to the marriage index entry.

Geoffers
Charlbury, OxfordshireHi Geoffers, it looks like it could be Thompson... I'm still getting the hang of reading these certificates.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/suffolkastrology/hpbimg/smith.jpg

Glenda

[Geoffers]

Yep, definitely THOMPSON. It's looking good so far. This helps to confirm that the two entries in the GRO marriage index refer to the same marriage and gives you more confirdence that you'll be applying for the correct marriaeg certificate

Does the address 64, Johnson Street, St.George in the East by any chance of a miracle tie up with the 1871 census return???

Geoffers

PS - Can't someone do without a stocking filler so that you can apply for the marriage certificate? ;)

[Londonwhay]

PS - Can't someone do without a stocking filler so that you can apply for the marriage certificate? ;)
They may have to now we're hot on the trail...;) Do you think I dare turn hubbies malt whiskey into a cheap blend?

[Geoffers]

They may have to now we're hot on the trail...;) Do you think I dare turn hubbies malt whiskey into a cheap blend?
:eek: That's perhaps going a bit too far, but perhaps economise by giving him just one straw instead of two ;)

Geoffers

[Annie]

[QUOTE=Londonwhay]

Any more certificate ordering will now have to wait until after Christmas,QUOTE]
Have you thought about asking for certificates for Christmas presents? I do and then put a note with it to remind me who paid for it. Much better than smellies I'll never use! ;)

Annie

[Londonwhay]

I don't know the background to this one, so this may be old news if Glenda already has the entry, but .....

Geoffers asked:
"Does the address 64, Johnson Street, St.George in the East by any chance of a miracle tie up with the 1871 census return???"

Yes - it does, but Charles seems to have rapidly fallen over.

At 64 Johnson Street on the 1871, Jane Smith is a widow, aged 23, born Shadwell. With here are her son, Thomas, 1, b Shadwell, and her unmarried sister, Fanny Thompson, 38, b St George E
Hi Mythology, we have mooted the idea that this is possibly the Thomas Smith in question - certainly seems to fit the facts we have so far. However I don't have the image for this one, is there any chance you could send it to me please? |bowdown| (nearest smilie I could get to 'on my knees pleading' :) )

Glenda

[Londonwhay]

[QUOTE=Londonwhay]

Any more certificate ordering will now have to wait until after Christmas,QUOTE]
Have you thought about asking for certificates for Christmas presents? I do and then put a note with it to remind me who paid for it. Much better than smellies I'll never use! ;)

Annie
Hi Annie, I have already asked for census discs, you know - those seperate one's that Rod sells. I gave my daughter a list to pick one from and she told hubbie today that she thinks she has made a mistake and ordered the wrong one - so goodness knows what area will turn up on Christmas morning. Maybe I'll have better luck with son - at least he will say, ( as he usually does, ) "you order it mum and I'll pay you back."

Glenda

[Londonwhay]

Oops - distracted by something else and forgot to put a reply on here.

Sent the page about 10.30 p.m., so if you didn't find it in your inbox when you woke up, shout because it's gone astray. Copy arrived OK in one of my other e-mail accounts, so my ISP have sent it, but things to AOL, GIO, Hotmail, NTL, Tiscali, Yahoo and various Australian, Hong Kong and USA ISPs seem to sometimes disappear into a black hole at the other end - I've given up completely with AOL, they just throw a tantrum and completely blacklist ISPs at random for a week or two on the basis of one customer sending out spam, but some of the others aren't much better.
Shouting! :) Didn't manage to check my email until this evening Mythology, and there was nothing from you. :( can I ask you to try again please?

Thanks
Glenda

[Londonwhay]

Hmmm .....
perhaps I shouldn't have included the word "Smith" in the subject line - Grotmail probably thinks that as there are zillions of Smiths it must be spam. ;)

A better idea (the brain works a bit slowly here - should have thought of this in the first place)....

I've uploaded it into my webspace. We will get there in the end.
This worked, thanks muchly |woohoo|

Glenda

[Londonwhay]

[QUOTE=Londonwhay]

Any more certificate ordering will now have to wait until after Christmas,QUOTE]
Have you thought about asking for certificates for Christmas presents? I do and then put a note with it to remind me who paid for it. Much better than smellies I'll never use! ;)

Annie
This is what I have done Annie, in fact I promised hubby a really good malt if he would order me 4 certificates!!!;)

Glenda

[Annie]

I have become sooo addicted to this that I am now ordering certificates as presents for others! Once I have copied all the details for my self I pass on the certificate to the relevant descendant, then I can charge it to the Christmas Pressie fund not me!

Annie

[Londonwhay]

I finally received the certificates I asked Santa to bring me. I now have the marriage certificate for Charles Millan Smith and Jane Thomson, so we know now that the birth certificate of Thomas John Smith that I received was the correct one. So thanks for your guidance folks.

Mind you, Charles' father is John Smith, that one should be fun. ;)

And just to give you a laugh, I have an ellusive Munn family from Herts, I managed to track down James Munn & family ( listed in 1881 census as James HUME!) I also managed to get enough details to send of for a marriage certificate for said James. And James' father's name? He is listed on MC as ....... dead!! :rolleyes:

Glenda

[Geoffers]

Thanks for keeping us updated Glenda. It's always nice to know that 'intelligent' guesses prove correct. Though you could have chosen ancestors with better names, please bear this in mind in a future life :)

Geoffers