canada there they went!!!

[kath]

Hi
My great uncle Fred Clarke went to canada in the early 1900s. He was in Ecclesfield Yorkshire in 1901 and his daughter died in canada in 1917. All the ships lists I can find a don't seem to include this period. Does anyone know how I might find out when and how he went?

Thanks

Kath

[Geoffers]

My great uncle Fred Clarke went to canada in the early 1900s. He was in Ecclesfield Yorkshire in 1901 and his daughter died in canada in 1917. All the ships lists I can find a don't seem to include this period.
There are a couple of online sites containing lists of emigrants

http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/index.shtml

http://www.immigrantships.net/

Does anyone know how I might find out when and how he went?
Outward Passenger Lists from 1890 are held by The National Archvies (TNA) at Kew in document class BT27. They are arranged by year and port - I know of no name index so any search is going to be very, very l-o-n-g.

If you know a ship's name, then the Registers of Passenger Lists can be very useful as they record from which port ships left, these lists are in BT32 at TNA.

Did he go straight to Canada or land in the USA first? The Americans have a website for the island where all the immigrants landed (the name and website escape me at the moment).

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[Pam Downes]

Did he go straight to Canada or land in the USA first? The Americans have a website for the island where all the immigrants landed (the name and website escape me at the moment).

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

I presume you mean Ellis Island, Geoffers.
http://www.ellisisland.org/

Pam Downes

[Pam Downes]

With regard to the Ellis Island site, don't be like me and assume that everyone you find on the site actually emigrated to the States.
When you get a match for your name, on the right-hand side of the page there's a 'view original ship manifest' link. Click on this, and then there's an 'enlarge' button immediately above the 'purchase' box.
When I did this I found that the person was actually a wireless operator on the ship, and therefore highly unlikely to be an emigrant!

Pam Downes

[Ladkyis]

If you follow the information all the way across the two pages it tells you if they were immigrating or not cos to get in they had to fill certain criteria and they had to say where they were going All the ones I traced were going to relatives - oh and they also had to put the name of a person in the country they had left - I suppose that was if they fell overboard or something :)

Ann

[Jfremont]

My ancestors also came to Canada in the early 1900's. My grandparents on both sides left Liverpool and arrived in Quebec City which was the main routing at that time I believe.
Some immigrants did land in Halifax. As noted by others some others came via the US.
I searched the passenger lists that are available here in Vancouver and it is a very long process to find anyone unless you know the yeamessage=My ancestors also came to Canada in the early 1900's. My grandparents on both sides left Liverpool and arrived in Quebec City which was the main routing at that time I believe.
Some immigrants did land in Halifax. As noted by others some others came via the US.
I searched the passenger lists that are available here in Vancouver and it is a very long process to find anyone unless you know the year they sailed since in the early 1900's over 100,000 people came by ship each year.
John

[Barbara Griffiths]

Just a thought but it might be worth checking the later immigration records - see the National Archives site at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/02/020118_e.html for details of the 1925-1935 database, and follow the links for the earlier years to find out about the Form 30a period (1919-1924) where the records are arranged semi-alphabetically.

The reason I suggest this is that, when I was searching for my grandfather's (temporary) emigration to Canada, I found that the Form 30a contains a question about whether people had ever lived in Canada and, if so, what was their port (and date) of previous entry and departure. This means that if someone had returned to the UK, eg to sort out family affairs, and was then re-entering Canada, their previous entry date will be listed.

Just a possibility.

Barbara

[kath]

Hi everyone

Just to say thanks so much to all of you for your advice. Some of the sites I already know but now I have a different angle to follow.
Great Uncle Fred ended up in Vancouver via I think the Yukon - Dawson City
I need now to send for his death certificate that may give me more clues.

Kind regards

Kath :)

[Frank W]

I may be wrong on this but I think the Canadian Death Registration can give more information than the actual Death Certificate, and may be less expensive also.
Our Canadian Members may be able to comment.
Regards.......Frank W

[Jfremont]

Canadian Death Certificates

Each province has a different system. For British Columbia and Ontario there are quite a few more details than what I am getting from the certificates from the UK. It includes parents names including maiden name of mother, and where they were born; name of spouse; location of bural.
Death records are sealed until 25 years have elapsed for British Columbia and are available on micro-film at the public library in Vancouver for no charge. The index is on-line at http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-1805C32/bsearch.
John

[kath]

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I have searched the BC archive and found Freds' wife and daughter. I can purchase a digital image on line but don't know if it is worth it or what is on it. It could just be the image as shown on the page. I would like more details especially of wife and daughter as I have none at all.
With the wonderful help from a lady in Vancouver I have a photo of their graves in Mountain View cemetry.
The Freemasons have also helped with what they can. So I will keep trying.

Thanks again for the information

Kath :)

[Peggy]

Ooooo. Looking for gold? Have you searched for a will? :) I once spent a few tourist minutes (until my fingers started to freeze) panning for gold near Dawson City. I don't envy Fred if that was what he was doing.

Seriously, I just googled "Dawson City" pioneers. Got some interesting hits. There seems to be a Yukon Order of Pioneers that might be helpful. Fred was a little late for the Trail of '98, but might still qualify as a pioneer.

Cheers,

Peggy

[kath]

Hello Peggy

I don't know exactly when Fred went to Canada it must have been between 1908, the birth of daughter, and 1917, the death of daughter. Thanks to Johns' kindness I do have death certificates for the family. Fred was in Dawson City as this is the permanent address given on his certificate -he died in Vancouver. I do have a gold locket sent by Lois to my Mum. It has a photo of Fred and his daughter who died so young. There are no marks on it except for a 14k, which I take to mean 14 carat gold, and a design like a key. An old fashioned key. I have tried to find our what this may mean. It may be a makers mark as I don't think there were hall marks at that time. Family legend has it that it was made form the first gold Fred found. I'm sceptical as I can't prove it.

Thanks for your thoughts. I'll have to do some more digging!!!!!!;)

Regards

Kath

[indigo]

Kath: I recently had the same problem re my grandmother etc who came to Canada from England in the early 1900's....It took a long, long time to find our her correct name!...I then was able to track her death, and finally obtain a death certificate from Manitoba. The certificate was most helpful (1921), because it also stated the EXACT number of years, months and even days, that she had been in Canada...so I was able to trace from that exactly when they arrived in Canada...

Indigo