The Navy List, August 1914

[Geoffers]

I picked up an old copy of the Navy List dated August 1914.

It lists Officers and some senior Warrant Officers, seniority, ships and other odd bits and pieces. Many Libraries and record offices will keep a partial run of the Navy List, but it isn't always possible for everyone to get there.

So, if anyone with Naval ancestors at the outbreak of the Great War would like a look up, just reply to this message.

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[peter nicholl]

:o Hi Geoffers
I'm ashamed to say that I'm not too up on ranks, but my Grandfather Henry Charles Haselgrove was promoted from PO 1st Class to Acting CPO around 1914. Would that be too junior??
Regards
Peter

[Geoffers]

[I'm ashamed to say that I'm not too up on ranks, but my Grandfather Henry Charles Haselgrove was promoted from PO 1st Class to Acting CPO around 1914. Would that be too junior??]

Depends on what he did, some Warrant Officers e.g. Boatswains and Carpenters are included, others are not.

I've checked for your grandfather - sorry to say he's not included.

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[peter nicholl]

Hi Geoffers
Thanks anyway, it was worth a try. My GrandDad was into Torpedoes: surface launched, not from Subs.
Peter

[Terry]

Hi, I would love a look up please for Alfred James Stevenson, was said by family to have been a Master at Arms.

[Geoffers]

Hi, I would love a look up please for Alfred James Stevenson, was said by family to have been a Master at Arms.

Sorry, not recorded in the Navy List. I checked under STEVENSON and STEPHENSON

Geoffers

[MichaelD]

Hi Geoffers.

My grand father Edward Joseph Stafford joined the RN in 1910 - registered number RN- K5697. He was an Australian and was loaned to the R.A.N. for the duration of WW1. He served on the HMAS Australia and ended up a PO Stocker. I would appreciate a lookup on your list to see if he is there.

Regards, MichaelD

[Geoffers]

My grand father Edward Joseph Stafford joined the RN in 1910 - registered number RN- K5697. He was an Australian and was loaned to the R.A.N. for the duration of WW1. He served on the HMAS Australia and ended up a PO Stocker. I would appreciate a lookup on your list to see if he is there.
Regards, MichaelD
Sorry, no trace. Ships in the service of the 'Dominion Government of Australia' are listed, ERAs are included, but not P.O. Stokers.

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[MichaelD]

Thanks for the effort Geoffers.

Regards, MichaelD

[Kersfam]

I picked up an old copy of the Navy List dated August 1914.

It lists Officers and some senior Warrant Officers, seniority, ships and other odd bits and pieces. Many Libraries and record offices will keep a partial run of the Navy List, but it isn't always possible for everyone to get there.

So, if anyone with Naval ancestors at the outbreak of the Great War would like a look up, just reply to this message.

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

I am looking for JOHN LAWRENCE KERSLAKE, who believed to have joined Navy 1901 aged 18. Believe he had some connection with HMS LOUVAIN pre 1915 or just after it was commandeered by RN in 1915. I have a photo of him in "Whites" with three stripes on left sleeve. Do you know what this means? also believe he was something to do with Armourers Crew. Can you help?
Many thanks
Debbie
UK
Ps. new mbr!

[Geoffers]

I am looking for JOHN LAWRENCE KERSLAKE, who believed to have joined Navy 1901 aged 18. Believe he had some connection with HMS LOUVAIN pre 1915 or just after it was commandeered by RN in 1915. I have a photo of him in "Whites" with three stripes on left sleeve. Do you know what this means? also believe he was something to do with Armourers Crew.
Louvain used to be a ferry called the Dresden which ran from Harwich to Holland/Belgium (I forget which offhand). It was sunk by a German U-boat towards the end of the war.

John Kerslake wasn't an officer - at least he wasn't in 1914. If the stripes are on the forearm of his sleeve, these will be for length of service. Does he have a badge above that indicating a rank?

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[Kersfam]

Hello Geoffers,
Thanks for yur reply. I did know about the Dresden, I also belive JLK was on HMS Minerva in 1901 at Gibraltor. The three stripes I take it would mean years of service on particular ship? or Navy? There is no badge that I can see and I don't know his age on photo. All in all I 've come to a dead end as far as JLK's naval history is concerned but gratefully appreciate yur interest.
Thanks again
Debbie

[Geoffers]

Hello Geoffers,
Thanks for yur reply. I did know about the Dresden, I also belive JLK was on HMS Minerva in 1901 at Gibraltor. The three stripes I take it would mean years of service on particular ship? or Navy? There is no badge that I can see and I don't know his age on photo. All in all I 've come to a dead end as far as JLK's naval history is concerned but gratefully appreciate yur interest.

The stripes would be for total service in the RN. Your best bet for finding details of his career would be to track down his service record. If he retired from the RN prior to 1923, this would be held at The National Archives (TNA) at Kew

Geoffers

[Kersfam]

The stripes would be for total service in the RN. Your best bet for finding details of his career would be to track down his service record. If he retired from the RN prior to 1923, this would be held at The National Archives (TNA) at Kew

Geoffers
Thanks G. I will find him !
:)
Debbie

[DavidGrain]

Would you please look up for me Gilbert Mager McWhirter (born 1873 joined RN pre 1901). Family legend is that he was on HMS Galatea at the Battle of Jutland

[Geoffers]

Would you please look up for me Gilbert Mager McWhirter (born 1873 joined RN pre 1901). Family legend is that he was on HMS Galatea at the Battle of Jutland
August 1914
MCWHIRTER, Gilbert M. Artificer Engineer with seniority of 1 Jan 1912.
Not recorded as serving on any ship at that time.

Best way to confirm whether or ot he was at Jutland wiuld be to obtain his service record which should be found at The National Archives, Kew.

Geoffers

[Pete Bank]

Dear Geoffers,

Please could you look up Arthur John Rice, a distant relative by marriage. I believe he was an officer in the RN.

Very many thanks,

Pete Bank

[Geoffers]

Please could you look up Arthur John Rice, a distant relative by marriage. I believe he was an officer in the RN.
August 1914
RICE, Arthur J - (Acting) Artificer Engineer with seniority of 1st Oct 1913

Serving on - HMS Lion (Dev) - Battle Cruiser
26,350 tons, 8x13.5 inch guns, 14x4 inch guns, 4x3pdr
Flagship of Sir David Beatty, Rear Admiral 1st Battlecruiser squadron

Geoffers

[Pete Bank]

Thanks very much, Geoffers. That is very helpful. I wonder if he might have been on the Lion when it went through a bad time at the Battle of Jutland.

Does one have to go phyically to Kew to look at service records?

Pete.

[Geoffers]

Thanks very much, Geoffers. That is very helpful. I wonder if he might have been on the Lion when it went through a bad time at the Battle of Jutland. Does one have to go phyically to Kew to look at service records?
Pete.
If you don't hire someone, or know a friend, then yes you do have to go to Kew to look at the records.

For commissioned officers/senior warrant officers a good alternative is The Navy List, in a copy of which I looked up your entry. Qutie a few County Record Offices and Local Studies Libraries have partial runs of these on shelves. Using them it is possible to quickly build up a record of an officer's career.

TNA, Kew has a complete (or very nearly complete) run of the Navy List.

Geoffers

[teabageaston]

I'd be grateful for a look up to shed some light on James Peek (or Peck) who is described as captain RN on my great uncles birth certificate and the ship is given as HMS Minona (though the writing is not clear) He was in scotland from 1915 onwards and appears elsewhere as a master mariner

many thanks

Paul Easton

[Geoffers]

I'd be grateful for a look up to shed some light on James Peek (or Peck) who is described as captain RN on my great uncles birth certificate and the ship is given as HMS Minona (though the writing is not clear) He was in scotland from 1915 onwards and appears elsewhere as a master marinerI think the ship is HMS Minerva (1914), Lt Crusier, 5,600 tons, 11x6" guns, 8x12pdr, 3rd Fleet, Portsmouth. William Macdonald, Commander.

August 1914 - No trace of James Peck or Peek in Active or Reserve lists. Nearest miss is James PARK, Lieutenant RNR, seniority of 25 Mar 1903.

Geoffers

[mr sandbanx]

Frederic Suttcliffe EARLE (Born NORTHLEACH, Gloucestershire.):

When World War I broke out Frederic was stationed on HMS Temeraire at Scapa Flow in the Orkney Islands north of Scotland. Temeraire, part of the 4th battle squadron of the British Grand Fleet, participated in the battle of Jutland on May 31, 1916.

In 1917, he was transferred to HMS Lightfoot, a destroyer and remained there until 1918.

In 1918 and until his release from the navy in 1920, Frederic served on HMS Velox under Commander Fischer Burges-Watson and traveled to the Baltic Sea north of Russia during the Bolshevik revolution. Before this ship departed, there are records of an attempted mutiny by some 100 men, who dreaded the idea of going into the cold northern sea.


In particular would like names of crew mates, officers of these ships,

[Geoffers]

Frederic Suttcliffe EARLE....When World War I broke out Frederic was stationed on HMS Temeraire at Scapa Flow in the Orkney Islands north of Scotland. Temeraire, part of the 4th battle squadron of the British Grand Fleet, participated in the battle of Jutland on May 31, 1916.
If you look back at the start of this thread, I mention that this copy is dated August 1914 so I can only check for that date:

The Navy List includes Officers (Active and Reserve) plus some senior warrant ranks. There is no trace of Frederic Suttcliffe Earle, so I guess he didn't fall into this catergory.

HMS Temeraire: Battleship (Dev) 4th Battle Sqdn. Commissioned Aug 1907, Re-commissioned 1913 - 18,600 tons, Crew 733-793, 520ft waterline length, , 21 kts (in trials) 10x12" guns, 16x4" guns.
Captain Edwyn S Alexander-Sinclair
Commander Thomas N James
another 55 officers are mentioned


In 1918 and until his release from the navy in 1920, Frederic served on HMS Velox under Commander Fischer Burges-Watson,
This Velox replaced another ship of the same name which was mined off the Nab in 1915.

Destroyer
Velox (1917) c.1300 tons, 312 ft, 34 kts, crew 110, 4x4 inch guns.

My gt-grandfather was Lieutenant in Velox in 1917

Geoffers

The NMM at Grenwich have a good photo of Velox

[vetsy]

Dear Geoffers

My great grandfather served in the Navy during WWI. I don't know if he was an officer or not. His name was Frank Manchip.

If you could search you records I would really appreciate it.

Kind Regards
Vetsy
Australia

[Geoffers]

Dear Geoffers
My great grandfather served in the Navy during WWI. I don't know if he was an officer or not. His name was Frank Manchip.
If you could search you records I would really appreciate it.

Sorry, no trace of your chap in either the Active or Reserve List in the August 1914 Navy List.

Geoffers

[busyglen]

Geoffers, does the Navy List include Royal Marines? I'm interested in anything to do with my father George William Henry JARVIS. He served for 22/23 years and was in the 1914/18 war, being torpedoed twice. Once I believe on the Aragon and then by the Attack. (May have been the other way round). Survivors were picked up from the first attack, and then that ship was hit. Luckily he survived both.

There are three George Jarvis's listed on `tilbste's' index, so wonder if one of them is he?

Glenys

[davebland]

Geoffers hi,
My Great uncle Joe Hepworth was one of the unfortunates sunk with the Mary Rose. Oct 1917. His wife was with him at Scapa Flow so I assume he held 'rank' I would very much appreciate any info that you can dig up either on Joe or the Mary Rose.
Thanks
Dave

[Geoffers]

Geoffers, does the Navy List include Royal Marines?
It includes Commissioned Officers


I'm interested in anything to do with my father George William Henry JARVIS. He served for 22/23 years and was in the 1914/18 war, being torpedoed twice.
The only George JARVIS mentioned is a Gunner RN (seniority of 12 Jun 1904), borne in HMS Lyra, a Torpedo Boat Destroyer, 730 tons, part of the 2nd Destroyer Flotilla.

No George JARVIS in the RM part of the list.


Once I believe on the Aragon and then by the Attack.
HMS Attack was a Torpedo Boat Destroyer, 785 tons, 2x4in guns, 2x12pdrs. Attached to the First Destroyer Flotilla, she was torpedoed by a German submarine off Alexandria on 30 Dec 1917.

Offhand I can't remember anything about Aragon, but I'll go throguh my books and see if I can find owt.

Geoffers

[Geoffers]

My Great uncle Joe Hepworth was one of the unfortunates sunk with the Mary Rose. Oct 1917. His wife was with him at Scapa Flow so I assume he held 'rank' I would very much appreciate any info that you can dig up either on Joe or the Mary Rose.
I see that on the CWGC web-site, he is shown as having been an ERA4c. Sorry, but these are not recorded in The Navy List. Only Commissioned Officers and senor warrant ranks are included.

The HMS Mary Rose 'M' class destroyer (1915), 1,000 tons, 34 kts, 3x4in guns, crew 80.
For an account of the sinking of Mary Rose and Strongbow by German Cruisers off the coast of Norway, see
http://www.hmsstrongbow.org.uk/sinking.htm

Geoffers

[busyglen]

"HMS Attack was a Torpedo Boat Destroyer, 785 tons, 2x4in guns, 2x12pdrs. Attached to the First Destroyer Flotilla, she was torpedoed by a German submarine off Alexandria on 30 Dec 1917."

Thank you Geoffers. I think in this case this was the second ship to be torpedoed as I `believe' that the Aragon was a supply ship, which the RM's were escorting to Alexandria. Not sure though, so would be grateful for any other info. you can turn up.

Thanks also for looking for George in the Navy List. It was just a shot in the dark really. :)

Glenys

[Geoffers]

I `believe' that the Aragon was a supply ship, which the RM's were escorting to Alexandria.
You'll find a couple of photos of Aragon here:
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/RMSP2.html#anchor710681
Looks like it was part of the Royal Mail Steam Packet Company.

Geoffers

[busyglen]

You'll find a couple of photos of Aragon here:
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/RMSP2.html#anchor710681
Looks like it was part of the Royal Mail Steam Packet Company.

Geoffers

Thanks Geoffers, you're brilliant. :)

It's nice to see a photo of one of the ships he sailed on.

Glenys

[busyglen]

Spurred on by the photo, I decided to do a `search' of ships (don't know why I didn't think of it before doh!!) Another senior moment. :( Anyway, I came across this account of the sinking of the Aragon and then the Attack. It's quite interesting and thought you might like to see it Geoffers.

My father never told me much about it, so it's nice to see what happened through someone else's eyes, even if it was a tragedy. He was certainly lucky to have survived.

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/story/21086/1/

Glenys

[Geoffers]

Spurred on by the photo, I decided to do a `search' of ships (don't know why I didn't think of it before doh!!) Another senior moment. :( Anyway, I came across this account of the sinking of the Aragon and then the Attack. It's quite interesting and thought you might like to see it Geoffers.

Thanks, it's always interesting to read these accounts.

Geoffers

[Sandra Parker]

Hi Geoffers. I see your name so often and know how helpful you've been to so many folk. Perhaps you could give me some idea about my seafarer. My GUncle Matthew Brownfield, born 1879 Gravesend, died 1957. I believe he went to sea on sailing ships at the end of the C.19, later becoming a Lieutenant Commander in the Royal Naval Reserve in 1915, continued inthe Merchant Service until just before WW2, when he retired, possibly holding rank of Captain. His family were involved with the sea His father, also Matthew Brownfield , was a Marine Engineer. In 1901, he was 1st Mate on The NUBIA, Official No.102394 was a 5,914 cargo / passenger liner built for P & O Line by Caird & Co In 1894.
Does he appear on your 1914 crew list?

[Geoffers]

My GUncle Matthew Brownfield, born 1879 Gravesend, died 1957. I believe he went to sea on sailing ships at the end of the C.19, later becoming a Lieutenant Commander in the Royal Naval Reserve in 1915, continued inthe Merchant Service until just before WW2, when he retired, possibly holding rank of Captain.
Sorry, no trace in the August 1914 edition of the Navy List. I searched under Active officers, Royal Navy Reserve (RNR) and Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve (RNVR). You might try to hunt down a later copy of he Navy List to see if he is recorded then.

If he was in the Merchant Navy, you may try searching the 'Mercantile Navy List' (publ annually since 1857). Also have a browse through TNA's web-site, they have loads of research guides which may give you some ideas. Click on http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/researchguidesindex.asp#m
and then one of the links for Merchant Navy.

Geoffers

[barrie wise]

Do you happen to have any notation on your list for a Jesse Charles Nash who in 1893 was a Petty Officer, and may have still been serving in the Navy in 1914. Many thanks for the lookup offer.
Barrie.

[Geoffers]

Do you happen to have any notation on your list for a Jesse Charles Nash who in 1893 was a Petty Officer, and may have still been serving in the Navy in 1914. Many thanks for the lookup offer.
Barrie.
No trace in the Active or Reserve List. This doesn't mean he definitely wasn't serving, he may just not have been one of the warrant ranks included in The Navy List. You might try looking for his service record at The National Archives (TNA) at kew.

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[sjgolding]

Would you happen to have anything of Edward James Golding. He was serving onboard HMS Albacore when he married in 1915.
He may, however, be listed as Edward James Brigden...he was base-born, and didn't take his father's name until a few years before he married.

[Geoffers]

Would you happen to have anything of Edward James Golding. He was serving onboard HMS Albacore when he married in 1915.
He may, however, be listed as Edward James Brigden...he was base-born, and didn't take his father's name until a few years before he married.
No trace in Aug 1914 - what rank was he when he married?

Geoffers

[Gareth Thomas]

Can i just point out that Master-At-Arms are mainly Chief Petty Officers that can carry a sword. Being in charge of Queens regulations and lets say in charge of the brig, they were allowed to carry a ceremonial sword just like Warrant officers were.

Chief Petty Officers or CPOs are one rank below Warrant Officer.

Petty Officers or POs are one rank below CPO

Regards
Gareth Thomas

[Geoffers]

Can i just point out that Master-At-Arms are mainly Chief Petty Officers that can carry a sword.
Yes, fari enough, but although the person mentioned may have been a Master-at-Arms in 1917, they may not have been promoted that far in 1914.


Chief Petty Officers or CPOs are one rank below Warrant Officer.
As CPOs are Warrant Officers, I think you meant to say that they are one below Commissioned Officers.

Geoffers

[Gareth Thomas]

The Non-Commisioned Officer ranks goes as follows:

Petty Officer - PO
Chief Petty Officer - CPO
Warrant Officer 2nd Class - WO2 (replaced Charge Chief)
Warrant Officer 1st Class - WO1

Regards
Gareth

[mcridbenen]

Hi Geoffers
Is there any mention of the name McMenemy

Regards
Carol

[Geoffers]

Hi Geoffers
Is there any mention of the name McMenemy
Regards
Carol
Not in the Active or Reserve list

Geoffers

[Sharon]

Is there any mention of Edwin OPIE could be OPPY. He fought in the first WW and was called back up for the second. Thank you
Sharon

[AnnB]

Hello Geoffers

Don't suppose there is any mention of the name Miell? As you may have seen on the Mariners' thread, I am trying to track down the person in the photo, who appears to be a Master at Arms. He is one of my grandmother's brothers, but I don't know which one :confused:
Although the brothers worked for the Union Castle Line, they may well have been in the Navy during WW1.

Many thankks
Ann

[Geoffers]

Don't suppose there is any mention of the name Miell? As you may have seen on the Mariners' thread, I am trying to track down the person in the photo, who appears to be a Master at Arms.
Sorry Ann, no trace of MIELL in active or reserve list. I've posted a couple of messages giving details of where to find Seamen's cards and pouches. If you haven't already, search TNA's catalogue http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp
enter the surname in the first field 'word or phrase' and in the last field, 'department or series code' enter BT372 - you'll get a couple of hits, are they of any use? You can order these documents online.

Geoffers

[AnnB]

Thanks for that Geoffers, I really didn't hold out any hope :(
Yes, I have seen TNA's catalogue and the Miell entries in BT372 - in fact I don't think there are many places where I haven't searched for the name Miell. I recently got some info from the Index to the Register of Seamen at Southampton Archives, but the entries from that register which would have been really useful were probably amongst the ones destroyed in the '60's :rolleyes:

Thanks again
Ann

[Toni Evans]

I am searching for

Ernest Frank BRYANT b. 1878 Bath Som.
Gerald Gordon BRYANT b. 1886 Limerick IRE

Brothers who it is believed were in the Navy.

Many thanks Toni

[Geoffers]

I am searching for
Ernest Frank BRYANT b. 1878 Bath Som.
Gerald Gordon BRYANT b. 1886 Limerick IRE
Brothers who it is believed were in the Navy.
Many thanks ToniNo trace of either in the Active or Reserved Lists, have you tried TNA's Documents online http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/ which is digitising the Seamen's Documents from 1853-1923 - in case they weren't officers?

Geoffers

[Toni Evans]

Hello Geoffers,

I apologise I should have written

CLEMENT Ernest Frank and Gerald Gordon

searching for these brothers on the WW1 list.

Thank you for such a quick reply and lovely to know you live in Charlbury, a beautiful village where a lot of my ancestors HUTT & TROTMAN are buried in the churchyard.

Thank you Toni

[Geoffers]

CLEMENT Ernest Frank and Gerald GordonSorry, still on trace on the active or reserve list.


Thank you for such a quick reply and lovely to know you live in Charlbury, a beautiful village where a lot of my ancestors HUTT & TROTMAN are buried in the churchyard.I take it you've been here, but if you ever need digital photos of the area I'm happy to stroll around and take a few snaps. I'm also surveying the cemetery which has been used for burials since the late 19th century (the churchyard has already been done), so I'll try to bear in mind the surnames.

Geoffers

[willow]

Harry/Henry Stewart BURTON
Hello Geoffers,
Could you look to see if my Great Uncle could be listed?
I know very little of him except he was born 1896 Manchester & Died 1973, Banbury, Oxfordshire.
Thanks for your time.
Sue

[Geoffers]

Harry/Henry Stewart BURTON
Could you look to see if my Great Uncle could be listed?
I know very little of him except he was born 1896 Manchester
No trace - He'd be a bit young to appear in the Navy List of August 1914.

Geoffers

[willow]

Thank you Geoffers for your time anyway
Sue

[Davepb]

Hi Geoffers, we have in our family, a sextant engraved with the name A S Hutchinson, and the sextant was tested in 1913. Is there an A S Hutchinson in the 1914 Navy List?
Cheer,s Davepb

[Geoffers]

Hi Geoffers, we have in our family, a sextant engraved with the name A S Hutchinson, and the sextant was tested in 1913. Is there an A S Hutchinson in the 1914 Navy List?
Cheers DavepbSorry for delay in replying, been away on holiday

Alexander S HUTCHINSON, midshipman with seniority of 15 Jan 1914.
He was serving on the battle cruiser, HMS Queen Mary at this time.

Geoffers

[Alanben]

Hello Geoffers Please could you check on my great uncle William Whyte, Artficer Engineer, born 1868 Belfast. Regards Alanben.

[Geoffers]

Hello Geoffers Please could you check on my great uncle William Whyte, Artficer Engineer, born 1868 Belfast. Regards Alanben.
Three William Whytes in the RN, the most likely is shown as Chief Art.Engineer with seniority of 1 Oct 1913.

You can download his service record with postings from Documents Online
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/
If you search on the name, there is a match for the details you give.

Geoffers

[Alanben]

Geoffers, Many thanks for locating William Whyte Chief Artifr. Engineer, do you have any information regarding which ship he was serving in. From the Navy List of September 1913 he was serving on HMS Good Hope as Art. Eng. The Good Hope blew up with the loss of all hands at the battle of Coronel 1st. Nov. 1914. He must have been transferred to another ship after his promotion to Chief Art. Eng. 1st. Oct. 1913 as he finally reached the position of Engineer Commander.
So far I have managed to download his service record from 1891 to 1900, final statement in the remarks being promoted to Art. Eng. from 1-11-02.
Official No. 162710.
Do you have any tips to follow his service record on line as an Officer.
Regards Alanben

[Geoffers]

do you have any information regarding which ship he was serving in.Sorry, there are five pages missing/torn in my copy and the one with his ship is one of those.

The index shows him attached to ship no.108a - 108 at the top of the page is Chatham, which was in the Mediterranean Sea - presumably he was on a Torpedo Boat Destroyer attached to Chatham.


Do you have any tips to follow his service record on line as an OfficerNot online. The Navy List is the best way to quickly follow a career of an officer. Many larger reference libraries have a partial run of it.

Geoffers

[Alanben]

Hello Geoffers, Thanks for your help regarding my great uncle William Whyte. will keep searching for Navy Lists from 1902 to 1920. Regards Alanben.

[madbat]

Hi Geoffers,

Could you have a look and see if my great grandfather is on the list, his name was Sidney Percival Walter Sykes, i believe he was in the Royal Naval Reserves and was a Ship's cook but i haven't been able to confirm this. He was born in 1882 in Grimsby.Thanks.

[Ann Dee]

[QUOTE=Geoffers]I picked up an old copy of the Navy List dated August 1914.

Hello Geoffers,
Would you be kind enough to see if there is a Dr. John McGlynn on the list.
Many thanks.
Ann

[Terry Waters-Marsh]

G'day Geoffers,

As always, you have already taught me a lot just by reading your replies in this thread. I know that my great uncle will not be on the 1914 Navy List because he was only a Stoker. I went to the TNA cattle-dog and looked in BT372 but because he has a common surname (his name is Bert DUNN), there is nothing to tell me which one he is. I only know that when he married in 1912 he was a Stoker and living in HM Naval Barracks, Portsmouth. (He was not a casualty so the CWGC website is no help either.) Any suggestions how I might narrow the search somewhat from so far away? Much appreciated. |book2|

[peter nicholl]

G'day Geoffers,

As always, you have already taught me a lot just by reading your replies in this thread. I know that my great uncle will not be on the 1914 Navy List because he was only a Stoker. I went to the TNA cattle-dog and looked in BT372 but because he has a common surname (his name is Bert DUNN), there is nothing to tell me which one he is. I only know that when he married in 1912 he was a Stoker and living in HM Naval Barracks, Portsmouth. (He was not a casualty so the CWGC website is no help either.) Any suggestions how I might narrow the search somewhat from so far away? Much appreciated. |book2|


.
Hi Terry
Two thoughts; As Bert was in the Andrew in 1912 and possibly a long service bloke you may be able to narrow the search by entering his year of birth at the TNA.

Also, but a long shot, over 600 RN Officers and Ratings were "loaned" to the fledgling RAN. My Great Uncle was a RN Stoker PO and served on HMAS Sydney from her Commission until 1919, including the battle with the SMS Emden. I obtained a Digital Copy of his time the RAN from the Australian National Archives, might be worth a try.
Peter

[Geoffers]

I know that my great uncle will not be on the 1914 Navy List because he was only a Stoker. I went to the TNA cattle-dog and looked in BT372 but because he has a common surname (his name is Bert DUNN), there is nothing to tell me which one he is. I only know that when he married in 1912 he was a Stoker and living in HM Naval Barracks, Portsmouth.As suggested by Peter, knowing his year (and place) of birth may help - do you have this?

If he was a stoker in the RN, he should appear in documents online
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/default.asp
entering Albert DUNN as a name comes back with 17 hits, all with birth dates and places of birth listed - do any of these match your information?

Have you tried BT372 beacuse he was in the Merchant Navy?

Geoffers

[Terry Waters-Marsh]

Thanks to both Geoffers and Peter. Bert was born about 1887 so I tried the only one born about that time in Documents Online but it was not him - that was for an Able-bodied seaman whereas Bert ws a stoker. I have his 3 childrens' birth certificates on order and I am hoping the one for the first of his children born 1915 will have his official number so I can try again to find him. The challenge comes from so few clues for such a common name (and his father's name, George, doesn't help either)..

[Geoffers]

Bert was born about 1887 so I tried the only one born about that time in Documents Online but it was not him
Was Bert his true name, or a family nickname? Have you found him in the 1891 census and if so, does this record him as Bert, or with another forename?

Have you been able to find his birth in the GRO index?

If he married and you've been able to locate a certificate, what name is the full name recorded there?

Geoffers

[Terry Waters-Marsh]

Was Bert his true name, or a family nickname? Have you found him in the 1891 census and if so, does this record him as Bert, or with another forename? Have you been able to find his birth in the GRO index? If he married and you've been able to locate a certificate, what name is the full name recorded there?The name 'Bert" is as it appears on his marriage certificate (to my great aunt in Portsmouth 1912) where his age is given as 24. Whether it is a family nickname or true name is unknown at this stage, hence the desire to find some other information to establish exactly who he was. 1891 and 1901 census are full of Albert Dunn names with "George" as the father and born around 1887. That his residence on the marriage cert. was "HM Naval Barracks Portsmouth" and occupation "Stoker" led me to persue this avenue of research. Thanks for the suggestions.

[peter nicholl]

The name 'Bert" is as it appears on his marriage certificate (to my great aunt in Portsmouth 1912) where his age is given as 24. Whether it is a family nickname or true name is unknown at this stage, hence the desire to find some other information to establish exactly who he was. 1891 and 1901 census are full of Albert Dunn names with "George" as the father and born around 1887. That his residence on the marriage cert. was "HM Naval Barracks Portsmouth" and occupation "Stoker" led me to persue this avenue of research. Thanks for the suggestions.


.Hi Terry,
What about-

Bertie Dunn Birth registered June Quarter 1887, Weymouth

Bertie Dunn, 4, born Fleet, Dorset, Father George Dunn, 51, Carter (Farm), born Bradpole, Dorset Civil Parish Powerstock RG12/1662 f78 p14

Bertie Dunn, 14, born Dorset Fleet, registration district Radipole, Dorset, Carter Boy, 1901 Census

Dunn Birt (sic) 30 March 1888 ADM 188/890 Official Number K11614 Place of Birth Weymouth, Dorset TNA Docs on Line

Peter

[Davepb]

Sorry for delay in replying, been away on holiday

Alexander S HUTCHINSON, midshipman with seniority of 15 Jan 1914.
He was serving on the battle cruiser, HMS Queen Mary at this time.

Geoffers
Thanks for your assistance. Sorry to take so long to reply.
Dave

[Kersfam]

The stripes would be for total service in the RN. Your best bet for finding details of his career would be to track down his service record. If he retired from the RN prior to 1923, this would be held at The National Archives (TNA) at Kew
For service records post 1923, see the following website:
http://www.mod.uk/contacts/rn_records.htm

Geoffers

I just wanted to send you my thanks albeit belatedly for your help all those years ago, 2 and a half?? with regards to the above RN John Lawrence Kerslake. With your help I was able to acquire his naval records which enabled me to track his whereabouts throughout his long naval career. I'm am so very grateful to you for your kindness.

Best wishes

Debbie

[canadian cousin]

My husband's grandfather , Alexander Hart Parry, born 1887 in Crewkerne Somerset, served in the Royal Navy as an engineer. I would be very appreciative of any information as to ships he served on, etc. if available.
Thank you,
Mary

[Ianmac]

:o Hi Geoffers
I'm ashamed to say that I'm not too up on ranks, but my Grandfather Henry Charles Haselgrove was promoted from PO 1st Class to Acting CPO around 1914. Would that be too junior??
Regards
Peter

Peter,
have you downloaded Henry's naval record from The National Archives DocumentsOnline? It costs £3-50 and will give you dates and ships and promotions etc.
Just to check it is the right person: date of birth is given as 14 September 1871, Pagham,Sussex (the dates given here on these documents are not always 100% accurate), official number 179487.
Cheers,
Ian Thirlwell

[talisman]

Hi, I hope this message reaches you and I hope you can still help.

Can you do a look up for me in your copy of the 1914 Navy List ? I am interested in the entry for Charles Ewart Boyd, born 1883, who I think was an Asst Paymaster.

Any information would be very useful.

Best regards

Alistair




I picked up an old copy of the Navy List dated August 1914.

It lists Officers and some senior Warrant Officers, seniority, ships and other odd bits and pieces. Many Libraries and record offices will keep a partial run of the Navy List, but it isn't always possible for everyone to get there.

So, if anyone with Naval ancestors at the outbreak of the Great War would like a look up, just reply to this message.

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[crimea1854]

Hi

Have you downloaded his service record?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7891672&queryType=1&resultcount=31

Navy list shows appointment as AP 23 November 1904, there is also a note 'lent to Colonial Office for service in Northern Nigeria.'

[crimea1854]

I was timed out from making any further amendments to my post, so here is an amended version:

Hi

Have you downloaded his service record?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7891672&queryType=1&resultcount=31

Navy list shows appointment as AP 23 November 1904, there is also a note 'lent to Colonial Office for service in Northern Nigeria.' - Note this is possibly the 1908 Navy List!

There is also an 'm' against his name, which indicates the award of a medal. Checking the medal rolls he was awarded the Queens South Africa Medal with the clasp for Orange Free State while serving as an Assistant Clerk on HMS Naiad during the second Boer War.

Martin

[talisman]

I was timed out from making any further amendments to my post, so here is an amended version:

Hi

Have you downloaded his service record?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7891672&queryType=1&resultcount=31

Navy list shows appointment as AP 23 November 1904, there is also a note 'lent to Colonial Office for service in Northern Nigeria.' - Note this is possibly the 1908 Navy List!

There is also an 'm' against his name, which indicates the award of a medal. Checking the medal rolls he was awarded the Queens South Africa Medal with the clasp for Orange Free State while serving as an Assistant Clerk on HMS Naiad during the second Boer War.

Martin

Many thanks Martin and I will take up your suggestion. Alistair