kings regulations (WW2)

[Melboy]

Does anyone know where I can get a listing of Kings Regulations for the Army? On my Dad's discharge it states a number and clause followed by KR's 40.
I think it was a medical reason,probably arising from his time as a POW in germany after being captured at Anzio in 1944.Apparently (like so many) he had a really bad experience and wouldnt talk about it very much.
Any help would be really appreciated.......Mel.

[Forrest Anderson]

Does anyone know where I can get a listing of Kings Regulations for the Army? On my Dad's discharge it states a number and clause followed by KR's 40.I think it was a medical reason,probably arising from his time as a POW in germany after being captured at Anzio in 1944.Apparently (like so many) he had a really bad experience and wouldnt talk about it very much.
Any help would be really appreciated.......Mel.

I have a copy of the 1940 edition of King's Regulations (aka KR40), so if you can give the paragraph reference, I'll let you know what it says.

Forrest

[Grant MacDonald]

I would like to know if anyone can tell me what KR 267(A) is?
Thank you
Grant

[Forrest Anderson]

I would like to know if anyone can tell me what KR 267(A) is?


The paragraphs were usually re-numbered with each new edition of King's (and Queen's) Regulations, so the answer to your question depends on the date of the document you are working from.


For instance, the 1912 edition was used in WW1, and para 267 in that edition is about the re-engagement of Other Ranks. On the other hand, in the 1940 edition, which was used for most of WW2, para 267 is about the improper enlistment of reservists into the Regular Army, and reads as follows:
267 (a). A reservist who improperly enlists into the Regular Army will not, whether convicted of an offence under Section 33 of the Army Act or not, and whether he is held to serve on his first or second attestation, forfeit any part of his service.
Sub-paras (b) and (c) are also about that general subject.

If your document doesn't relate to the 1940 edition, let me know.

Forrest

[Melboy]

I have a copy of the 1940 edition of King's Regulations (aka KR40), so if you can give the paragraph reference, I'll let you know what it says.

Forrest

on my dads discharge certificate it quotes : para 390 (XVIII) G.

[Forrest Anderson]

on my dads discharge certificate it quotes : para 390 (XVIII) G.

Paragraph 390 of King's Regulations 1940 listed the various causes of discharge for Other Ranks in the Army. Discharges under sub-para (xviii) were "For the benefit of the public service", and sub-subparas specified the reason more explicitly. For example, 390 (xviii) b was "His services being no longer required" and applied to Boys, whilst 390 (xviii) d was "Free, being urgently required in civil employment".

Although my copy of King's Regulations 1940 was printed in 1945 and includes amendments 1 to 45, the sub-subparagraphs only go up to 390(xviii) e - at the time of printing f and g had not yet been created. You therefore need to find a copy which was printed later than my one, but before the next main edition was produced (as Queen's Regulations) in 1945.

Forrest

[Melboy]

Paragraph 390 of King's Regulations 1940 listed the various causes of discharge for Other Ranks in the Army. Discharges under sub-para (xviii) were "For the benefit of the public service", and sub-subparas specified the reason more explicitly. For example, 390 (xviii) b was "His services being no longer required" and applied to Boys, whilst 390 (xviii) d was "Free, being urgently required in civil employment".

Although my copy of King's Regulations 1940 was printed in 1945 and includes amendments 1 to 45, the sub-subparagraphs only go up to 390(xviii) e - at the time of printing f and g had not yet been created. You therefore need to find a copy which was printed later than my one, but before the next main edition was produced (as Queen's Regulations) in 1945.

Forrest

Thanks for all your help Forrest,I really am grateful.On checking the certificate it seems that it also includes sub-sub paragraph G !! Ironic to say the least..
Again many thanks,you're a STAR ..........Mel......ps.will just have to keep digging!

[sad act]

Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of said regulations?

Dave

[Annstu]

on my dads discharge certificate it quotes : para 390 (XVIII) G.

on my Dad Discharge cert. it quotes Para 390 (XV1) KR 1940 Does anyone know what it means?

[B.J.D.]

Does anyone know where I can get a listing of Kings Regulations for the Army? On my Dad's discharge it states a number and clause followed by KR's 40.
I think it was a medical reason,probably arising from his time as a POW in germany after being captured at Anzio in 1944.Apparently (like so many) he had a really bad experience and wouldnt talk about it very much.
Any help would be really appreciated.......Mel.

You may find Mel that if you search KRR's (Kings Rules and Regulations) which became QRR's after the queens coronation you will possibly pick up a few links.

Having been brought up by a "Staff sergeant instructor" father. We kids (five boys) learned one thing.
They were concocted to "Damn" a serviceman however innocent.

I have just read and copied a piece from an old BBC site :-

As any ex-soldier will tell you, KRRs (Kings Rules and Regulations) was the catch-all way of charging a service-man for any 'crime' whatsoever.
I once had it explained to me that by using KRRs the army could do anything they liked to you EXCEPT give you a baby.
The same person later revised his theory by amending it to:
Using KRRs, the army can do anything they like to you INCLUDING giving you a baby, BUT THEY CAN'T MAKE YOU LOVE IT!
See you in the guardhouse.

Take my point?

As a lad, I can remember my father quoting "Gobbledegook" from KRR's to his "Commrades in arms" and thinking.
"Does that make any sense at all"? The simple answer is NO. It's not meant to.

In wartime, I'm afraid that if an officer suffered lack of common sense.
"The accused were guilty" 'cos KRR's say so.

If you wish to read more examples of KRR's go to:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/03/a2229103.shtml

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[trebor]

Hi did anyone confirm the reasons for Army discharge under the Para 390 (XV1) KR 1940 regulations during WW2? Have a relative who was discharged after 6 months service with the RACS, have assumed connected with health or CO, thank you.

[Peter Goodey]

Did you try Google? The first one that comes up is from Hansard:


A soldier who has been found physically unfit by a medical board is discharged from Army service under King's Regulations, 1940, paragraph 390 (xvi) as "ceasing to fulfil Army physical requirements."

[trebor]

Many thanks for the answer, yes I had tried Google but was unable to locate an entry with a definitive answer. This has helped me to make a comment on the Certificate of Discharge.:)

[steve01]

I have a copy of the 1940 edition of King's Regulations (aka KR40), so if you can give the paragraph reference, I'll let you know what it says.

Forrest

Can anyone tell me what King's Regulations 1940 paragraph xviii c means please?

[Jan1954]

Can anyone tell me what King's Regulations 1940 paragraph xviii c means please?Hello Steve01 - welcome to Brit-Gen,

Scroll back and have a read of post number 6. :smile5:

Edit - oops! I see that it does not mention paragraph c.

[Eddie Woolley]

Does anyone have a copy of Kings Regulations 1940 please. I have just come across my father's Army pay book which states he was discharged under Para 390 (XViii((a). I am anxious to discover what this means or implies as he was killed at home in 1944 in a bombing raid whilst a was a few days old, still in maternity hospital with my Mum. She always said he was home on leave but I now realise this could'nt be true as he was discharged in 1942. Was she hiding something that she was not keen to divulge?

[Peter Goodey]

Does anyone have a copy of Kings Regulations 1940 please

If nobody can help, can you take a day off and pop over to the National Archives? I'm pretty sure they have a copy in their library (open shelves)

http://tna.koha-ptfs.co.uk/

You'll have most luck with the catalogue if you remember that it's "King's Regulations" and not "Kings Regulations" :biggrin:

[Mutley]

On a war forum called ww2talk there is a thread about the Regulations.
A poster states that he bought a second hand copy from an online book seller (name the same as a famous river!) for only a few pounds. He also posted some images of 'KR1940 Para 390 XVI'. Apparently quite a few of these men were wounded at Dunkirk.

The Long Long Trail has a complete list of 392.

Sorry, neither are that which you are seeking. :sad:

[Mutley]

Finally, google has shown up a story about an ancestor on this site.
http://www.
alexwood.org.uk/2012/06/soldier-ancestor/


"discharged in April 1941 in consequence of Para 390 (XVIII) (a) of King’s Regulations, “His services being no longer required for the duties for which he enlisted.”