Can You Give Me Any Tips On Finding William Foley & Family

[Mike Fear]

i have traced my mothers side of the family back to Joseph Foley (B1820/1 in lambeth) to1851 when he married Mary Ann Day just before the cemsus of that year. He was married in St Johns Waterloo Rd, his father William is mentioned on the cert.
Although Joseh is well documented from 1851 I cannot find anything before that And I cannot find any thing at all on his father William & family.
Joseph was a Print Colourer & William a cooper.
Between 1851 & 1853 Joseph moved his family to Shoreditch.
I would be grateful for any tips or help to find out more.|banghead||banghead|

[Sue Mackay]

I've no idea whether this is the right one, but on the 1851 census ( HO107; Piece: 1588; Folio: 134; Page: 34 ) for Woolwich there is

William FOLEY 53 Plasterer b Gloucester city
Mary Ann FOLEY 49 b Worcester City

It occurred to me that if Joseph became a paint colourist then a father who was a plasterer was in vaguely the same area.

Edit: Oops! Did I make the same mistake as Annie? Have just seen that Mary Ann was Joseph's wife, not William's.

[Copper]

Still working on this but Joseph Foley was a paint colourer in 1851 not a print colourer!

[Pam Downes]

I've no idea whether this is the right one, but on the 1851 census ( HO107; Piece: 1588; Folio: 134; Page: 34 ) for Woolwich there is

William FOLEY 53 Plasterer b Gloucester city
Mary Ann FOLEY 49 b Worcester City

It occurred to me that if Joseph became a paint colourist then a father who was a plasterer was in vaguely the same area.

Edit: Oops! Did I make the same mistake as Annie? Have just seen that Mary Ann was Joseph's wife, not William's.
Might be the right one Sue. We don't know the name of William's wife.
Pam

[Copper]

Mike said that William was a cooper. I assume that is what it says on his son Joseph's marriage certificate.

I can't find a William Foley, occ cooper in any census!

[Mike Fear]

Thank you all, but I ruled out William Foley from Woolwich, as he was not a cooper by trade.
I still believe That Joseph was a print colourer as on some documents his occupation is artist.
Williams trade is take from Josephs marriage cert.
William------Wife unknowen

Joseph-----Mary Ann Day B Whitechapel 1823 parents Anrew & Mary Day (nee Forrest?)
Henry James Foley oldest son of Joseph & Mary Ann born Hoxton New Town 1853
Hope this extra info may help

Regads Mike

[Sue Mackay]

I ruled out William Foley from Woolwich, as he was not a cooper by trade.

I'm not saying William from Woolwich is your man, but don't rule someone out purely on his occupation. My father was a pig farmer when he got married. He ended up as principal of the Royal Scottish Academy of Dramatic Art. My husband was a public relations officer for Welsh Water when we got married. He is now a railway signalman. And one of my ancestors had a totally different occupation on each census.

PS Just as well I plan to leave good family records, otherwise anyone trying to track me down in centuries to come would be mightily confused. The registrar misheard when I gave my father's occupation as drama school principal, so on my marriage certificate it says Father - Drum School Principal!

[Pam Downes]

We've all overlooked one important part of Mike's first post - "to 1851 when he married Mary Ann Day just before the census of that year" therefore the occupation that Joseph gave for his father is likely to be a current one if William is still alive.

I did check out the 1861 census for William the plasterer born in Gloucester. More like William the plastered because in 1861 he says he was born in Hackney!
Pam

[Copper]

This was why I checked the 1851 census but I still could not find William occ Cooper. Maybe he was deceased as this was not always noted on a child's marriage certificate

[Mike Fear]

Hi every one
I agree with Sue that not every one stays in the same occupation through out their lives, but find it hard to see how william could have squeezed in 4 or 5 years of training into a couple of months. On his sons marriage cert the word cooper is very clear.I may have been guilty of assuming he was alive as his name was not recorded as deceased.
I think that a William Foley from St Lukes Old Street may be a better bet if the occupation was ignored as he had the same job as Joseph Foley & could be just in the right age group.
I was thinking I may get closer to William through patish records, but I;m not sure what the parish church of Lambeth or Southwark ( both are mentioned as birth places for Joseph in different census) Prehaps somebody could tell me
regards Mike:

[AnnB]

It is just possible that William could be recorded as a carpenter or wheelwright - I've come across coopers who have been described as such in Devon.

Best wishes
Ann

[Mike Fear]

Thanks Ann but I think I will have to widen the search area, I'venot found any carpenters yet. Theres been labouers plasterer and a boot maker so far.Plus the paint/print colourer I've already mentioned. Mike

[Mutley]

Mike,
I have not the faintest idea if this fits in with your lot but in 1841
Surrey, St Mary Newington (St Peters) lived this family:
and Henry snr was a print colourer!!!

HO107; Piece 1064; Book: 4; Civil Parish: St Mary Newington; County: Surrey; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 36; Page: 9;


William Adams50

Eliza Foley5
Elizabeth Foley30
Elizabeth Foley8
Emma Foley15
Henry Foley35
Henry Foley1
Mary Foley3

[Mutley]

In 1841 there was a Joseph Fooley, he was born about 1817 in Surrey.
He also lived in St Peters, Newington.

He was living with Jerimiah and Patrick Coleman and I cannot make out his occupation '*apperman'. The Colemans worked as Oil Cloth Makers.

Class: HO107; Piece 1064; Book: 10; Civil Parish: St Mary Newington; County: Surrey; Enumeration District: 20; Folio: 49; Page: 36;

[Mutley]

Just another to chuck in the pot, although I think I have lost the plot a bit now!!!
William Foley b. abt 1801 in 1841 was an artist.

Jane Featherstone 50
William Featherstone 50
Ann Foley 9
Francis Foley 7
Matilda Foley 5
William Foley 40
Class: HO107; Piece 1047; Book: 5; Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey; County: Surrey; Enumeration District: 15; Folio: 43; Page: 31

Will try again another day.........

[Mutley]

Just a quickie,
I don't think I am allowed to post the link to Lambeth Parish registers. But try NWK Family History Society.

[Mike Fear]

Thank you Mutley I lost the plot some time ago but your second choice could be a good bet

[Mutley]

I'd love to know the occupation of Joseph the '*apperman'.
I've tried all sorts of variations. Paperman only has one p and I cannot find another occupation that it could be.
If you are interested in him maybe it is worth a new thread asking if anyone can transcribe it better.

Lots of Luck

[AnnB]

I'd love to know the occupation of Joseph the '*apperman'.
I've tried all sorts of variations. Paperman only has one p and I cannot find another occupation that it could be.
If you are interested in him maybe it is worth a new thread asking if anyone can transcribe it better.

Lots of Luck

I'm pretty sure it says Jappaner (should be Japanner), japanning being a form of enamelling.

Best wishes
Ann

[Mutley]

Thanks Ann,
Maybe that fits in with the family as they all seem to be Artists of some sort.