Fishwick Family Of Billinge, St Helens, Lancashire.

[annrich]

Gooday everyone. My name is Ann and I live in Queensland, Australia.

I started doing my family tree in Feb this year.

I am looking for the parents of William Fishwick born in Lancashire, around the St Helens or Billinge area I think. William was born in 1867 and at the age of 4 yrs he was on the 1871 Census living in Kings Moss, Billinge, with his Aunie Catherine Fishwick born 9/9/1820 as a nephew and Catherine's father William Fishwick born January, 1799 in Billinge.

Wm born 1867 stayed with the family on the 1881 and the 1891 Census then he appears on the 1901 Census with wife Sarah and two children.

I am having big problems trying to find out who Williams (B 1867) parents are:

William Snr born 1799 had 11 children, and although I have records of some of Williams childrens marriages and grandchildren, I don't have them all. some of them like Catherine never married. For your information I list all of the children of Wm born 1799, just incase one of these is the parent of young william, born 1867.

Catherina Fishwick b 9/9/1820,
Alice b 1/5/1823, (Mother of illigitimate sone Henry Fishwick menioned below). Later married to Thomas Ashall.
Marie (Mary) b 5/10/1825,married to Henry Middlehurst, b 1821.
Anna b 27/7/1828, married to John Pennington, b 1818.
Margarita b 23/10/1832, married to Mr. COOKE.
John born 19/3/1835, married to an Ellen Bibby.
Richardus b 11/1/1837, married to Esther Cowley b 1838.
Elizabeth b 14/10/1840.
Maria Johanna (Jane) b 16/4/1846 and
William b April 1843.


William born 1799 had another grandson living with him, Henry Fishwick born 5/5/1848. He lived with his grandather Wm born 1799 from being 7 years of age, upto being a young man, they also lived in Kings Moss at that time too.

I have only come across one record on the Church of the latter day saints site for a William born 1867 and that tells me that his father was Henry and his mother was Alice. It shows Wm was christened in Accrington. If they are the parents of young William then Henry never married Alice and that could be why they went to Accrington to have young Wm christened. Henry married on 17/9/1872 to Ann Nickson born 1846 from Stoneyhurst, Lancs. They had 11 children, all of which I have records for.

I hope someone out there has access to births, as I would love to know who young Williams parents are.

I thank everyone out there and I look forward to some replies.

[birdlip]

Hi Ann,

my first question was going to be if you had managed to locate Williams birth certificate. Then I looked on freeBMD, and found 13 William Fishwicks b 1866-68, most b Lancs/Cheshire area!

I looked on the 1871 census for William, b Accrington, living with Henry and Alice, and he's nowhere to be seen. Presumably this is why you've figured this Wm could be yours, even though the birth place is different?

Just a couple of thoughts ...if William is illegitimate, it would be unusual for him to be christened with his fathers surname, even if the father acknowledged parentage. Often the fathers first name, and sometimes surname, would be given as middle names. However the childs surname would normally be the mothers. So your William, if he IS illegitimate, would be more likely to be a child of one of Catherines sisters, than her brothers. Although if the child ended up being brought up by the fathers family, it may have been just easier for him to take their name, I suppose.

Also, if I read your post correctly, Henry Fishwick (Alices child), is Catherines nephew, and William seniors grandson. So if young William is his child, he would actually be a great grandson to old William, but perhaps accuracy wasn't a priority, and it was a case of close enough is good enough!

All very confusing! Incidentally, I couldn't find the entry for William b Accrington on Family Search, but its been a long day...

Sorry I can't be of more help. I'll keep thinking.

regards birdlip

[debsy]

There was a Alice Fishwick born in 1845 Wigan Lan (Vol 21, page 876) possibly the same one married to either Joseph Rose or William Riley in JFM 1864 at Bolton. There may be no connection but I thought I would mention it as I had the information at hand. (Joseph Rose is possibly one of my Bolton ancestors) - Deb

[annrich]

thankyou BoPeep for your welcoming words, I hope that I can have some luck with my family tree too. Ann

[annrich]

Thankyou Debsy for your reply, interesting information. Leave it with me. thanks, Ann

[annrich]

Hi Birdlip, thankyou for all your information, and yes you are right, young Wm would have been the gt gt grandson of Wm b 1799. Today at family history site, I saw the film showing a birth and christening record of Wm b 1867 born to Henry and Alice Fishwick in Accrington. this is not our henry though, this one was a Tailor and wife Alice a spinner. Our henry the grandson of Wm b 1799, mother Alice b 1823, well he was a Butcher before he was married and after he was married for quite some years. So I am still looking for youg Williams (B 1867) parents. This must meen therefore that young William would be one of Catherines sibling's children. that is where I am now stuck, so maybe someone out there who has access to records may come up with his parents. I thank you very much for your help. Ann

[Retlaw]

Gooday everyone. My name is Ann and I live in Queensland, Australia.

I started doing my family tree in Feb this year.

I am looking for the parents of William Fishwick born in Lancashire, around the St Helens or Billinge area I think. William was born in 1867 and at the age of 4 yrs he was on the 1871 Census living in Kings Moss, Billinge, with his Aunie Catherine Fishwick born 9/9/1820 as a nephew and Catherine's father William Fishwick born January, 1799 in Billinge.

Wm born 1867 stayed with the family on the 1881 and the 1891 Census then he appears on the 1901 Census with wife Sarah and two children.

I am having big problems trying to find out who Williams (B 1867) parents are:

William Snr born 1799 had 11 children, and although I have records of some of Williams childrens marriages and grandchildren, I don't have them all. some of them like Catherine never married. For your information I list all of the children of Wm born 1799, just incase one of these is the parent of young william, born 1867.

Catherina Fishwick b 9/9/1820,
Alice b 1/5/1823, (Mother of illigitimate sone Henry Fishwick menioned below). Later married to Thomas Ashall.
Marie (Mary) b 5/10/1825,married to Henry Middlehurst, b 1821.
Anna b 27/7/1828, married to John Pennington, b 1818.
Margarita b 23/10/1832, married to Mr. COOKE.
John born 19/3/1835, married to an Ellen Bibby.
Richardus b 11/1/1837, married to Esther Cowley b 1838.
Elizabeth b 14/10/1840.
Maria Johanna (Jane) b 16/4/1846 and
William b April 1843.


William born 1799 had another grandson living with him, Henry Fishwick born 5/5/1848. He lived with his grandather Wm born 1799 from being 7 years of age, upto being a young man, they also lived in Kings Moss at that time too.

I have only come across one record on the Church of the latter day saints site for a William born 1867 and that tells me that his father was Henry and his mother was Alice. It shows Wm was christened in Accrington. If they are the parents of young William then Henry never married Alice and that could be why they went to Accrington to have young Wm christened. Henry married on 17/9/1872 to Ann Nickson born 1846 from Stoneyhurst, Lancs. They had 11 children, all of which I have records for.

I hope someone out there has access to births, as I would love to know who young Williams parents are.

I thank everyone out there and I look forward to some replies.



There's only one family of Fishwicks in Accrington in 1851, they are living at 4 Chapel St.
William Fishwick Head 30 Calico Printer, New Accrington
Ann Fishwick Wife 29 Burnley
Alfred Son 3 Habergham Eaves
Mary Dau 1 New Accrington

Also at the same address is
Isaac Fishwick Head 52 Church Town
Maria Fishwick Wife 53 Chorley
Thomas Son 26 Chorley
Richard Son 23 Chorley
James Son 19 New Accrington
Daniel Son 15 New Accrington
James Visitor 55 New Accrington

Where the eck all this lot slept beats me, they were 4 roomed houses plus kitchen and tippler toilet in back yard.

Retlaw

[annrich]

H Retlaw and Finbar.

I must apologise for not deleting this post, I have now found all the Fishwick right back to the 1600's and the Billinge area is definately the one is St Helens. I really thankyou for all the information and your time. I will now see if I can remove this post.

Regards, Ann in Oz