My surname interests

[harfin]

My tree is liberally sprinkled with the following "fruit"|wave|:
Atkinson
Chapman
Clark
Fink
Hart
Hines (Hinds Hynes Hynds)
Punnett
Wash
Happy to help any serious "scrumping"

Alan

[Staffs Boaties]

Hi I have a William Hart c1823 from Wolverhampton, Staffs

[harfin]

Hi I have a William Hart c1823 from Wolverhampton, Staffs

Hiya

Sorry I should have specified the geographical area. I have none from the Midlands thus far!

The areas for the rest of my surnames are:
Atkinson Yorkshire, Mauritius
Chapman Kent and Yoorkshire
Clark Kent
Fink Germany, Essex, London & counties
Hart Ireland, Folkestone, London & counties
Hines/Hinds/Hynes/Hynds Ireland, London & counties
Punnett Kent
Wash Eseex

Good hunting
Alan

[Irene Hall]

I have Hine from Dorset/Somerset

Irene

[harfin]

I have Hine from Dorset/Somerset

Irene


Hi Irene

My Hines (Hynes/Hinds/Hine etc.) are very elusive!

My grandmother's name was Kathleen Hines, when she married my GF (James Hart a fisherman) in 1895 in Ramsgate in Kent. It was Frances Hines on all subsequent documents.

She gave her father's name on the marriage entry as "Thomas Hines" and his occupation as "Corporation Official"; he wasn't shown as a witness so I don't know if he was actually present.

Her age. varied throughout her life - 22 years at her marriage in 1895, 24 years at the time of the 1901 census, 93 when she died in 1963.

The 1901 shows the family in Homerton (Hackney) in London; her place of birth is given as Ireland - although this doesn't necessarily mean of course that her forbears were Irish.

I have found an Irish birth record of a Frances Hynes on the IGI (extracted record) but it is in 1865; it's the only Hynes / Hines / Hinds there; no valid Kathleen or similar either.

I cannot find her on UK census records pre 1901.

I did find a Thomas Hines in Hackney in London aged 59 born in Ireland occupation Tar Paver on the 1901; he was living on his own at that time but is shown as married..

I don't suppose you have a missing Thomas / Kathleen or Frances in your lot?

|banghead|

Alan

[Irene Hall]

I have a Thomas but he isn't missing:) I just don't know a damm thing about him other than I think he may have come from Dorset. I'm going to have to get his death cert and see what that gives me.

I have a pic of his parents but nothing else - very annoying!

My Thomas was married here in NZ to a Edith Cartwright daughter of one William Davy & Emily Bella Cartwright (nee Hall) Em is my great aunt.

I've only just started on this line. The only reason I think he came from Dorset is that I've been following another line and came across the name Hine in Dorset. Unfortunately is they are only marriage registers it doesn't tell me much.

Will order his death cert today and see what turns up.

Irene

[harfin]

My Thomas was married here in NZ to a Edith Cartwright daughter of one William Davy & Emily Bella Cartwright (nee Hall) Em is my great aunt.Irene

What sort of dates for him are we talking of Irene?
Could he and Edith have moved to Ireland?
Did he die in NZ?

My Grandma's father Thomas must have been born at the latest around 1850 (assuming my Grandma was born 1870'ish )

It would be one heck of a co-incidence if Thomas was actually a kiwi as I lived in NZ for many years! Since returning to the UK in 1997 I found I had lots of hitherto unknown Kiwi cousins on my Fink line!

Alan

[Irene Hall]

Alan,
I don't at this stage know where My Thomas was born, but he certainly died in NZ. However there is nothing to say that his father was not also called Thomas?
My Thomas was b. 1893 d. 1977. If I subtract 20yrs from my Thomas's supposed birth date his father would have been born around 1873.

So it is possible that grandma was an aunt of my Thomas or fits somewhere else in your "Tree". Will let you know as soon as the death cert arrives.

Our death certs give where someone parents where born and occupation and a whole heap of other info.

Irene

[harfin]

. . . (snip) his father would have been born around 1873 . (snip) Irene

The father could have been born much earlier if Thomas the kiwi was not his first child or if he was a "late starter" |oopsredfa

Kind regards

Alan

PS Not a good idea to visit Mt. Ruapehu I hear at the moment?
aah

[Irene Hall]

PS Not a good idea to visit Mt. Ruapehu I hear at the moment?
aah

Aww. Hes just in a bad mood over something and has thrown a bit of a hissy fit. He'll get over it.

Will let you know what the death cert shows.

Irene

P.S. volcanos in Maori mythology are always male - need I say more?;)

[harfin]

P.S. volcanos in Maori mythology are always male - need I say more?;)

Don't know whether you've been watching the other thread on spiders, but all the nasty bitey spiders are female. Don't know what that (or the Maori concept of masculinity of Volcanoes) proves :D

Alan |angel|

[Irene Hall]

Ok. You win|bowdown|

Irene

[harfin]

I have been mulling over how to pursue an alternative Thomas Hines within the UK.

The 1901 census entry of a 59 yo Tar Paver living in Hackney keeps coming back to haunt me.

There are a number of similarities between that entry and the little I know of my GGF:

The occupation of 1901 entry Thomas Hines is similar to my GF, James Hart (in 1901 GF James was a "Road Repairer")
My GF James' wife's maiden name was "Hines" and her father was a Thomas Hines a "Corporation Official" on the marriage entry in 1894
By the time of the 1901 census my GF James Hart had moved from Ramsgate and the family were now living in Homerton; Thomas Hines was nearby in Hackney
My GM Frances Hart (nee Hines) was born in Ireland according to the 1901 entry for her; the Thomas in Hackney was born in IrelandI looked on FreeBMD to see if I can find an entry in the deaths section for a Thomas Hines born around 1842 (1901 - 59). I found 5 entries up to 1910 alone that could be him, but there were only a couple in the south of the UK, including one in Islington. In the following 10 years I found one more possibility in Shoreditch.

I am tempted to apply for the certificates, but I haven't seen a UK death certificate yet that has sufficient info on them that would definitely or even probably rule the deceased in (or out) of my equation.

I am also tempted just to leave this on the back-burner until the 1911 is up and running.

On the other hand, I am an impatient beggar
|computer|

Anyone got any advice?

Alan

[Simon Hart]

I have Hart members in my tree from 1760's in Little Baddow Essex the Prittlewell Essex from 1830 till today.

[harfin]

Hi Simon

My "Harts" identified thus far are:
i) James Henry HART b 1895 Ramsgate Kent m Phyllis FINK 1933
he was the son of
ii) James HART b1869 Folkestone Kent m Kathleen HINES in 1894
he was the son of
iii)John HART b 1832 Folkestone Kent m Caroline PUNNET in 1852
he was the son of
iv) Thomas HART b about 1797 Kent (?) m Elizabeth CULLEN in 1820

Haven't traced any further back than that at the moment.
It certainly seems that my "Hart" forbears were almost all Folkestone fishermen.
Anything like that in your family?

Alan

[Irene Hall]

Alan,

Have just got my Thomas Hine's DeathCert. Not as much info as I had hoped but..... My Thomas was Thomas Robert Hine b. 1892 Tikorangi Taranaki, d 1977 buried Tikorangi Cemetery.
He married Edith Cartwright

His father was James Hine b. sometime around 1872 - give or take a bit don't know where - I will now have to get his death cert.
His mother was Alice Jury

Did a quick search on FreeBMD but didn't come up with anything useful. Was one James Hine born in the London area about 1892ish. Don't know if its him or not. Will have a better look later.

Irene

[harfin]

Irene

Doesn't look too promising for a connection with my lot of Hines. (I am starting to wonder whether my lot wasn't Heinz, i.e. 57 varieties:cool:)

I see 43 possible James Hine on FreeBMD born between 1862 and 1880 and that's without any variant spellings of the family name!

If you know when / where he dies the death cert should help narrow that down a tad.

Be interested to learn the details of James though when you find him.

Kindest regards

Alan

[Irene Hall]

Will let you know as soon as I find out Alan.

Irene

[Irene Hall]

Alan,

I've just found an entry for a James Hine m Alica June Jury 1881, Poplar in BMD Free.

My Thomas didn't arrive until 1892 to James and Alica Hine nee Jury.

A possibility maybe.

Where is Poplar??

Irene

[harfin]

Where is Poplar?? Irene


Irene

Poplar is east London, north bank of the Thames, India Docks area and south of Bow. Near the Blackwall Tunnel. Working class area. I'd say that with what you have on Thomas thus far, that the James / Alicia marriage is a probable not a possible!

It doesn't sound as though it's a connection with my Hines though. I have a funny feeling that my Thomas Hines is the Tar Paver living at 5 Blinco Road, Hackney age 59 and born in Ireland as per the 1901 census (RG13/220). In this entry he is there on his own, although the entry states he is married.

I don't know for sure, but hopefully he'll be somewhere on the 1911 when it's released and may give me a bit more to go on.

Good luck! Kind regards
Alan