my family name is Norman

[lesnrmn]

I'm a new member of the forum, hello to everybody.
I'm interested in finding out anything about my family origins.I think my great
,great grandfather came from Northhamton in the early 1800's and moved to Lancashire,in the Bootle area.
My father, Leslie Norman, was killed in 1946 in a motorcycle accident in the Netherton area.
My mother's name was Lily.
Anyone that can help i would be grateful.

[Bo Peep]

|wave| Hello and welcome to the forum. I do hope you get lots of help with your research.

[Wirral]

Hi :) My mum was born in Bootle, Hornby Road, then moved to near Breeze Hill. Whereabouts in Bootle did your family live? How far back do you definitley have them in Bootle? Have you got a copy of your parents' marriage certificate? I can't see their marriage listed on www.lancashirebmd.org.uk (http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk) , but it is not complete yet (mum's isn't on there either).

[lesnrmn]

my great grand parents John & Sarah in the 1881 census record lived in 90 Berry st,also resident at the time were Albert E Norman aged 11. Alfred J Norman aged 14. Elsie M Norman no age?.John Norman aged 38. Sarah Norman aged 36.And Thomas Norman aged 5.
In the 1901 census it shows Albert Norman aged 7 born Waterloo Lancashire England.
Cival parish Great Crosby(where i was born).Registration district West Derby.
Resident at the time,i can only think it was somewhere in Crosby,were Thomas Leadbetter? aged 46.Albert Norman aged 7.Albert Edward Norman aged 31. Lilly Norman aged 1.and Mary Agnes Norman aged 28.
My mothers name was Lily Norman (nee Davies) from Thatto Heath St Helens,and we lived at 15 Musker St Crosby.
Hope this has helped please let me know.
Les.
PS mymother &father were married on26th sept 1932 at St Johns church Ravenhead, Father's names and surnames were,Albert Edward Norman/painter,and
John Davies/miner.
My fathers residence at the time was 42 Bridge Road,Blundellsands.
My mothers residence was79 Elephant Lane,Thatto Heath.
They were married in the presence of Harry Norman and Elizabeth Davies

[Wirral]

Thomas LEADBETTER is the brother-in-law of Albert Edward NORMAN. From FreeBMD, Albert Edward NORMAN married Mary Agnes LEADBETTER in June quarter 1892, West Derby Registration District volume 8b page 546.

Albert's father, John NORMAN was born in St Mary's parish, Nottingham (1881, 1891, 1901 censuses), Nottinghamshire, not in Northamton. He was married at least twice, first to Sarah in Nottingham (1881 census), then to Sophia in Bootle (1891 & 1901 census). I can't work out the maiden name of Sarah or when they married. John NORMAN married Sophia VESSEY Sep. 1885 West Derby vol 8b p517.

Do you already have the NORMAN family in the earlier censuses?

[lesnrmn]

thank you Wirral,you really are a Super Star, at the moment i can only go back as far my great grand father's birth place,thank's to your help,incidently are we related.
Les

[Wirral]

Hi Les
No, I don't think we are related via the Bootle connection, but you never know with the Nottingham lot as I have family from around there as well!

Here's the census info & GRO references. You will need to get the birth & marriage certificates of your direct line to confirm that they are the correct ones & to find out the mothers' maiden names.

1901 census RG13/3445 folio 126, page 5, Jinklers [?] Cottages, Great Crosby, Lancashire
Albert Edward NORMAN, head, M, 31, House painter, Lancs, Bootle
Mary Ann ", wife, M, Lancs, Great Crosby
Albert ", son, 7, Lancs Waterloo
Lillie ", dau, 1, Lancs Waterloo
Thomas LEADBETTER, brother-in-law, U, Bricklayers labourer, Lancs Great Crosby

Albert Edward NORMAN married Mary Agnes LEADBETTER, June quarter 1892 West Derby registration district vol 8b page 546.


1901 census RG13/3397 f156 p37, 396 Old Chester Road, Tranmere, Birkenhead, Cheshire
John NORMAN, head, M, 58, Plumber & Gas fitter, Nottinghamshire Nottingham
Sophia ", wife, M, 53, Lancs Liverpool
Marian V. ", dau, 14, Lancs Bootle

John NORMAN married Sophia VESSEY Sep 1885 W. Derby 8b 517.
Leslie NORMAN born Mar 1909 W. Derby 8b 269.
Leslie NORMAN died Sep 1946 Bootle 10b 520 age 37.

1891 census RG12/2974 f71 p24, 65 Tennyson St, Bootle, Lancashire
John NORMAN, head, M, 48, House & ship painter, Nottinghamshire, Nottingham
Sophia ", wife, M, 43, Lancs Liverpool
Albert E. ", son, S, 21, Painter & paperhanger, Lancs Bootle
Thomas J. ", son, S, 15, Boatbuilder app., Lancs Bootle
Elsie M. ", dau, 10, scholar, Lancs Bootle
Maria V. ", dau, 4, Lancs Bootle

RG11/3692 f121 p23, 90 Berry St, Bootle cum Linacre, Lancs
John NORMAN, head, M, Plumber & gas fitter, Nottingham St Mary parish
Sarah ", wife, M, 36, Nottingham Sn?? [might be Sneinton, which is a parish in the east of the city of Nottingham]
Alfred J. ", son, 14, Plumber appren., Nottingham, Sn??
Albert E. ", son, 11, scholar, Lancs Bootle
Thomas ", son, 5, scholar, Lancs Bootle
Elsie M. ", dau, 11mth, Lancs Bootle

John NORMAN married Sep 1875 Nottingham 7b 329. On the same page is Sarah Ann FOUNTAIN.

1871 census RG10/3834 f87 p29, Spring Grove, Bootle, Lancs
John NORMAN, head M, 30, Plumber &c, Nottinghamshire
Mrs [!] NORMAN, wife, M, 26, Nottinghamshire
Alfred ", son, 4. Nottinghamshire, Nottingham
Albert ", son, 1, Lancs Bootle

I am not sure if Mrs NORMAN is Sarah NORMAN.

1861 census RG9/2462 f88 p28, 32 Bromley St, Nottingham St Mary, Notts.
William NORMAN, head, M, 48, Plumber & glazier, Notts. Nottingham
Sarah ", wife, M, 47, Notts. Nottingham
John ", son, Unm, 19, Plumber & glazier, Notts. Nottingham
Eliza ", dau, 10, Lace mender, Notts. Nottingham

1851 census HO107/2132 f520 p15, 32 Bromley St, Nottingham St Mary, Notts.
William NORMAN, head, M, 39, Plumber, Nottingham Notts.
Sarah ", wife, M, 37, Lace mender, Nottingham Notts.
Harriett ", dau, 13, Lace mender, Nottingham Notts.
John ", son, 8, scholar, Nottingham Notts.
William ", son, 3, scholar, Nottingham Notts.
Eliza ", dau, 3mth, Nottingham Notts.

1841 census HO107/869/6 f9 p11, Bromley St, St Mary Nottingham, Notts.
Wm NORMAN, 30, Pumber glazier
Sarah ", 25
Harriett ", 4
May ", 2
[All born in the county of Notts, ages 15+ rounded down to nearest 5 years.]

[lesnrmn]

once again many thank's Wirral.Just got to see if i can go further back.
Les