History of Horstead and Stanninghall

[Geoffers]

I have a copy of Percy Millican's 'A History of Horstead and Stanninghall, Norfolk' (publ. 1937). Long out of print, it can be expensive to get hold of copies.

Many names are mentioned (far too many to list here) and the book is well indexed. It also has a very useful map of the village.
If you have family who came from, or lived in the village - or the surrounding villages - I am happy to check the book for you. Just post a reply to this message.

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[Pam Downes]

Hi Geoffers,

I would very much appreciate any references to EMPSON or KELF that you might find in the book please.

Pam Downes

[Geoffers]

Hi Geoffers,
I would very much appreciate any references to EMPSON or KELF that you might find in the book please.
Pam Downes
Hello Pam
No trace in the book of either EM(P)SON or (C/K)ELF. The only references to the names that I have in Horstead are in the Archdeacon's Transcripts:

1729
"Peter EMPSON of (Le.l.ff??) was buried Nov: 2d"

(The place name is fuzzy on the AT - it may read Lerloff??? I can find no such place on the map of Horstead or in Faden's or Bryant's maps - the only thing I can suggest is that the curate has tried to interpret 'Lostoff' from the PR - i.e. Lowestoft??)

1716
I have an entry which I originally read as KELT but now am not so sure, the last letter is similar to both 'T' and 'F' in other entries on the same page, I include it just in case and will amend the index to reflect both possibilities:

William KEL(T?F?) was bur 18 Jan (1716/17)


Similarly in 1718/19 AT
Mary base child of Anne KAL(T/F?): bapt: 22 Marc:


Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[Pam Downes]

Hi Geoffers,

Thank you very much for checking the book, and also for the info from the ATs. It might be a while before I'm able to fit those people into the grand scheme - I'm still trying to sort out all the John and Mary's in the 1850s. |banghead|

And as for Lostoff - I love it! Interestingly, there are several entries for Peter Em(p)son in Lowestoft of a time that would fit on the IGI.

Pam Downes

[CookieNanna]

I have a copy of Percy Millican's 'A History of Horstead and Stanninghall, Norfolk' (publ. 1937). Long out of print, it can be expensive to get hold of copies.

Many names are mentioned (far too many to list here) and the book is well indexed. It also has a very useful map of the village.
If you have family who came from, or lived in the village - or the surrounding villages - I am happy to check the book for you. Just post a reply to this message.

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire
Hi Geoff
Wondered if the surname BUNTING appears in the book. I would appreciate any information.

Thanks
Sue

[Geoffers]

Wondered if the surname BUNTING appears in the book. I would appreciate any information.
Sorry Sue, nowt in the book for the surname.

The earliest reference that I have to the name in the parish registers, is the marriage of Charles BUNTEN and Hannah FREEMAN in 1780 and the baptism of their son four months later. Have you details from the registers and census returns?

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[CookieNanna]

Sorry Sue, nowt in the book for the surname.

The earliest reference that I have to the name in the parish registers, is the marriage of Charles BUNTEN and Hannah FREEMAN in 1780 and the baptism of their son four months later. Have you details from the registers and census returns?

Geoffers
Charlbury, OxfordshireHi Geoffers

Thanks for checking out the book.

I have information from the 1851-1881 Census, haven't as yet gone through the 1841. In 1851 Joseph Bunting was transcribed as BUNTON and the address was given as Cottage, St Faiths
Census Place: Horstead & Stanninghall St Faiths, Norfolk
PRO Reference: HO/107/1811 Folio: 247 Page:10
Have the 1861 census discs & located the family in Norwich Road,
REF: RG9/1209 Folio 84 Page 10 Schedule 44

Living in the North East prevents me from getting to the Norfolk Record Office so hopefully will be able to plan a trip to the local LDS centre to check out the Baptism Records.

Once again, thanks for your assistance.

Regards
Sue

[Geoffers]

I have information from the 1851-1881 CensusYou'll find quite a few entries to assist you on the Norfolk Transcription Archive:
http://www.genealogy.doun.org/transcriptions/index.php



This includes an index to the 1861, 1871 + 1901 census returns, an index to the registers and ATs and some photos.


In 1851 Joseph Bunting was transcribed as BUNTON and the address was given as Cottage, St Faiths Census Place: Horstead & Stanninghall St Faiths,The 1851 census transcript on CD records addresses in an odd way. you should just read this as 'Cottage, Horstead & Stanninghall'.

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[Geoffers]

Baptisms from Horstead Parish Registers, just to get you going...

3 Jun 1817, BUNTON, George, John + Mary, of Stanninghall, Husbandman
13 Jan 1820, BUNTON, Elizabeth, John + Mary, of Stanninghall, Labourer
10 Feb 1822, BUNTON, Pamela, John + Mary, of Stanninghall, Husbandman
18 Apr 1824, BUNTON, Joseph, John + Mary, of Stanninghall, Labourer
27 May 1849, BUNTON, George, George + Elizabeth, Labourer
20 Aug 1854, BUNTING, Susannah, Joseph + Elizabeth, Labourer
2 Dec 1855, BUNTING, William James, Joseph + Elizabeth, Labourer
28 Apr 1872, BUNTON, James, Joseph + Elizabeth, Labourer
28 Apr 1872, BUNTON, Mary Ann, Joseph + Elizabeth, Labourer
24 Apr 1887, BUNTING, Margaret Amelia, James Arthur + Louisa, Labourer
25 Jul 1889, BUNTING, William, James + Louisa, Labourer
31 May 1891, BUNTING, William Charles, James + Louisa, Labourer
28 Aug 1892, BUNTING, George Herbert, Arthur James + Louisa, Labourer
22 Apr 1894, BUNTING, Albert James, James Arthur + Louisa, Labourer

[Geoffers]

....and finally a couple of census returns that you may not have

1891 census
RG12/1517 f83 p15 scg.104
Norwich Road, Horstead
Joseph BUNTING, hd, mar, 65, ag.lab, bn Horstead
Elizabeth BUNTING, wf, mar, 65, bn Frettenham

1901 census
RG13/1833 f87 p15 sch.33
Norwich Road, Horstead
BUNTING, Arthur J, 38, hd, mar, woodman (Norwich Rd), bn Horstead
BUNTING, Louisa, 42, wf, mar, bn Northwold
BUNTING, Margaret A, 14, dau, dressmaker's app, bn Horstead
BUNTING, William C, 10, son, bn Horstead
BUNTING, George H, 8, son, bn Horstead
BUNTING, Albert J, 7, son, bn Horstead
BLOGG, Arthur, 18, brd, unm, cattleman on farm, bn Aylsham

Geoffers

[CookieNanna]

Hi Geoffers

Many many thanks for the parish & census information, it is very helpful and certainly gives me a head start.

The parish information actually shows the family I am chasing and the baptism of my great grandmother so I was well pleased.

With this information to start with I cannot see much domestic work being done :D

Once again, thank you, your help is really appreciated.

Best wishes
Sue

[Geoffers]

Many many thanks for the parish & census information, it is very helpful and certainly gives me a head start.
Glad to help, if you need owt else, just ask.

I notice that some of the entries refer to the family being of Stanninghall.

Stanninghall used to be a separate parish but was absorbed into Horstead, very little remains of the church at Stanninghall.

Stanninghall basically consisted of a farmhouse (once a large Hall) and dwellnigs for workers in the dairy farm. The estate is at the south end of the parish of Horstead, and much closer to Frettenham. The consequence being that those who lived in Stanninghall used Frettenham Church. Their contributions to Frettenham appears to have been the cause of dispute between the clergy of the two parishes.

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[suesharp667]

I have a copy of Percy Millican's 'A History of Horstead and Stanninghall, Norfolk' (publ. 1937). Long out of print, it can be expensive to get hold of copies.

Many names are mentioned (far too many to list here) and the book is well indexed. It also has a very useful map of the village.
If you have family who came from, or lived in the village - or the surrounding villages - I am happy to check the book for you. Just post a reply to this message.

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire
Hi Geoffers, Have just found this site- I am researching my fathers name & came across it mentioned in Percy Milligans book. The name is Pightling -Have got back as far as 1750 & there seem to be a lot of them in Norfolk. Many villages mentioned e.g. Horstead, Catfield, Yaxham, Feltwell etc. wondered if you could help please. Sue

[Geoffers]

Hi Geoffers, Have just found this site- I am researching my fathers name & came across it mentioned in Percy Milligans book.There is a lengthy section in the book concerning the family who farmed in Horstead, mostly 17th century entries. It's not quite clear from your message as to whether you have already extracted the entries from it, or if you just know that the name is mentioned. If you would like, I can happily type out the entries for you


The name is Pightling -Have got back as far as 1750 & there seem to be a lot of them in Norfolk. Many villages mentioned e.g. Horstead, Catfield, Yaxham, Feltwell etc. wondered if you could help please. SueYou mention getting back to 1750 - could you provide a little more detail, such as names, when and where born, married, etc?

Geoffers

[suesharp667]

Hi Geoffers, Think I might have sent a reply 2 the wrong place so here goes again. No, I haven't seen a copy of Percy Milligans book. I came across a record somewhere & it mentioned an Ellen Pightling with reference to the book, so I typed in the book title & ended up on your web-site ! I began about a year ago to find out about my grandparents who I never met & didn't realise it would become addictive ! I have traced back on my fathers side to a George Pightling b. 1787 in Hethersett & whose father was John Pightling b.c. 1750 in Hethersett- up to then most had been in & around London, so have just begun searching in Norfolk & found loads! but gets complicated coz they all seem 2 be called John , George or William! & can also be quite creative in the way they spell Pightling ! Also been looking into origins of name. Have found your list of useful websites-brilliant.Yes please I would appreciate it if you help with info from the book. Sue

[Steve Linsell]

Could you have a look for Warman & Freestone please,Ta.

[Geoffers]

Could you have a look for Warman & Freestone please,Ta.
Sorry, no mention of either name in the book and Freestone is not a name with which I am familiar in Horstead. As for Warman, would this be the farmer, James & his wife Jane who had three children baptised there:
7 Mar 1855 William James (privately baptised)
11 May 1856 Sarah Jane
1 Nov 1857 Walter John (buried in 1857)

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[Geoffers]

No, I haven't seen a copy of Percy Milligans book. I came across a record somewhere & it mentioned an Ellen Pightling with reference to the book, so I typed in the book title & ended up on your web-site ! Yes please I would appreciate it if you help with info from the book. Sue
There are several variants of the name on the NTA website
http://www.genealogy.doun.org/transcriptions/index.php
click on 'surnames' and then the letter 'Py' and scroll down to the names beginnign 'Pi' and 'Py', you'll find quite a few.

I'm just about to take my dogs out for a stroll, I'll start typing the entries for the name when I get back.

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[Geoffers]

No, I haven't seen a copy of Percy Milligans book. I came across a record somewhere & it mentioned an Ellen Pightling with reference to the book, Also been looking into origins of name.
Well a pightle is a small (often triangular) piece of arable land, also known as a gore in some parts of the country. So, presumably PIghtling is 'of the pightle'


Yes please I would appreciate it if you help with info from the book. Sue
There are several entries in the book, the minor bits essentially cross-refer and repeat the information in the main section, so I haven't included them here. Reading the tex can get confusing, so a brief family tree of te Pightlings of Horstead would show:

John Pightling, bn c.1488 = Johana

Their son, Robert died 1565 and bur at Horstead = Rose, died 1574, bur Horstead

Robert had the following children:

Thomas Pightling (d1607) = Alice
William Pightling (bapt 1564) = Eme Swanton (mar Horstead 1585)
Richard Pightling (bur 1583, Horstead) = Amy Breese (mar 1569) after Richard's death, Amy married John Gostling.

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[Geoffers]

Thomas Pightling was the father of
Henry (1568-1649)
John, senior (1563-1612) = Cecilia Breese (mar Horstead 1587)
Thomas, junior (b1561) = Amphillis

Richard Pightling was the father of
John, junior (bapt Horstead 1561) = Bridget Breese.

John, senior (1563-1612) was the father of:
Richard (bapt 1603)
Lydia (bapt 1590) = William Beter (mar 1614)
Edward, senior (1592-1659) = (M1) Elzabeth, (bur 1629) + (M2) Martha (bur.1657) and this Edward was the father of:
Henry (bapt 1632) = Mary (bur 1695) - who had a son Henry (bapt 1674)

John, junior (bapt Horstead 1561) was the father of
Edward, junior (1601-1644) = Elizabeth Ewer (of Lynn, mar 1628) and they had:
Ralph (1640-1692), seevral daughters and
John (bapt 1633) = Elizabeth Morse (mar 1671) - they had a son John (bapt 1672) who was a cutler in Norwich, who married Elizabeth

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[Geoffers]

"The Pightlings of Horstead" - page 147-150 from the History of Horstead by Percy Millican (I have edited the text slightly to leave out some extra detail such as information about families into which the Pightlings married, some descriptin of land - I can provide the additional information, but think that initially at least it is better to get your head around the basic detail).

"The Pightlings were the principal farmers in the northern and north-western parts of the parish in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries; and the appearance of the name of Peter Pyking of Buxton in the Norwich Freeman's Roll in 1382 points to an ancient local standing of this family.

Rector Grape, referring to the parish registers, makes the naïve remark that several of the family of Pightling are recorded therein. As a matter of fact, no fewer than 151 marriages, baptisms, and burials of members of that family are recorded between the years 1558 and 1699.

One of the first, if not actually the first person of this name to become an inhabitant of Horstead was John Pightling, who, according to his depositions in a Consistory Court case in 1530, was born in 1488 and came to Horstead in 1511. C.1517 he held a farm in Largate which in quite recent years has been known as Cooper's farm, together with land and buildings situated in Margate……….in 1532, he surrendered his lands to the use of his son, Robert (Robert Pightling was buried at Horstead in 1565).

[Geoffers]

Robert Pightling's widow, Rose, surrendered the Margate property in 1566 to her son, Richard Pightling; and at her death in 1574, her son, Thomas Pightling, held the Largate Farm and also portions of the lands now belonging to Heath Farm which lies south of the mill. Her son, Richard held the Margate property and lands in or near the Lound and Hundred Acres.

Her son, Robert, junior, held lands in Largate, near the present Horstead Hall, including a brick and tile kiln on the Horstead side of the river, opposite Great Hautbois church, together with a house in which he lived (this property passed to Thomas Jeckes in 1586). House and kiln have long since disappeared.

William Pightling, the fourth son of Robert, senior, held some twenty-eight acres of land, formerly in the tenure of his father, as appears in a manorial rental of 1599. He was churchwarden in 1593, 1598 and 1599.

Of these four sons…………..(1)Richard married Amy Breese. he died in 1583 and his widow held 120 acres of land at the time of the survey of 1586. Her second husband was John Gostling of Eccles to whom she brought thirteen acres of land near Largate Cross, called Free Croft, with a house erected on the site of the Recruiting Sergeant….even in those days this was the village inn. After her (second) marriage, the former Amy Pightling relinquished all her lands in Horstead (except Free Croft and inn) to her son, John Pightling, junior, who in 1599 held a messuage standing on the site of the gabled house near he war memorial……In 1617 and 1618 he was churchwarden, but afterwards seems to have left Horstead-at any rate, we hear no more of him.

[Geoffers]

Edward Pightling, junior (bapt Horstead 1601, married 1628 to Elizabeth da of Edward Breese of Horstead, their younger son Ralph died 1692, unmarried aged 52), his (Richard's) son lived with his uncle Edward Breese at Hallbergh (Horstead Hall) and after Breese's death in 1625, inherited this estate. John, his son and heir married Elizabeth Morse, and their son, John Pightling, a freeman and cutler of Norwich, sold the Horstead House estate in 1707 to George Warren……………

(2)The other branch of the family sprang from Thomas Pightling, senior (married 1558, Horstead, buried there 1607), second son of Robert Pightling, senior. In 1586, he owned the Largate farm and a messuage which stood on the site of the present Street farm…near the war memorial. He had three sons, Thomas, John and Henry.

Thomas (bapt Horstead 1561), described in the deed as of Taverham, sold the Largate farm to Edward Breese in 1608…..

[Geoffers]

John, the second son (bapt Horstead 1563, married 1587, buried 1612, in records he is designated as John Pightling senior to distinguish him from his cousin John son of Richard), married Cecilia, sister of Edward Breese and in 1599 held some fifty-five acres in Horstead of which twenty-one had formerly been held by his father.

Henry, the youngest son (bapt Horstead 1568, died without issue 1649), in 1636 bought of Henry Howgrave the Largate Farm, which he gave by his will to his nephew, Edward Pightling, senior, son of his brother John, with remainder to his (Edward's) son, Edward. This last Edward sold the farm to George Warren, son of the rector, and retired to Frettenham…..

Edward Pightling, senior, son of John, inherited from his father some twenty acres lying in the Lound district of Horstead. In addition he purchased of Henry Howgrave the gabled house near the war memorial together with eight acres of land in Mill close and eleven acres of meadow to the right of the causeway leading to Coltishall bridge. This property passed to his son, Henry, who in 1667 sold it to Thomas Townshend. of Norwich…….This Henry Pightling was the parish registrar during the Commonwealth period, and is was he who recorded, very imperfectly and in atrocious Latin, the baptisms, marriages and burials from 1653 until the restoration. He was buried at Horstead in 1680, aged fifty-eight, and his son, john, who married Margaret Atkins of Frettenham at St.John Maddermarket in 1701 is described in the register of that parish as a 'poor weaver'.

[Geoffers]

The beginning of the 18th century saw the end of the Pightlings as landowners in Horstead. A branch of this family, however, lived in the neighbourhood of Coltishall until the beginning of the nineteenth century, and a Mr. Pightling is mentioned in Dr.Charles Grape's notes as the person to whom he paid the land tax on Coltishall glebe lying in Sco Ruston.

It was at the house of a Mr. Pightling that the Rev. W. Spurdens examined several cinerary urns discovered in 1810 at Coltishall.

On the south wall of Coltishall church is a tablet to the memory of Stephen Pightling who died 21 Dec 1800, aged fifty-two years and to Elizabeth, his relict who died 25 Nov 1805, aged fifty-four years; also to William Pightling, their only child, who died 30 Nov 1832, aged fifty-nine years and to Anna Maria, his relict who died 5 Oct 1843."

I hope you can make sense of it all - if you need additional information, please ask.

Geoffers

[suesharp667]

Hi Geoffers, many thanks for all the info you sent. It will take some time to go through it all!!!!!!! There's not enough hours in the day! My father always said he thought the family had some connexion with Norfolk.... seems like he was right. We also thought the name was something to do with the small piece of land definition , a friend of mine who lives near Cambridge said she seen a house called The Pytle. Again thanks for all the info , theres enough to keep me quiet for a while!!!!!! Sue

[Steve Linsell]

Thanks for looking & yes that was the Warman family i expected to find.I have the birth certs,but wasn't aware of the Baptism dates,great stuff.Jane and the two surviving children arrived in Leeds in the late 1870s,James had died sometime between the birth of the last child and Sarah's marriage in 1878.Jane died 1886 in Leeds aged 68.

[Geoffers]

Hi Geoffers, many thanks for all the info you sent. It will take some time to go through it all!!!!!!! There's not enough hours in the day! My father always said he thought the family had some connexion with Norfolk.... seems like he was right.
The Horstead Pightling family do seem to have migrated at least to Norwich; it would be quite easy to then imagine a branch moving onto Hethersett - so at sometime in your research, you may well find a connection. As well as using parish registers, you might consider checking the wills held at Norwich to try and show any connection to your branch.

The Hearth Tax returns are good for showing how widespread a name was. Those from Michaelmas 1664 only record 7 in the county:

Rich PIGHTLINGE taxed on 1 hearth at Bixley
John PIGHTLINGE taxed on 2 hearths at Sea Palling.
Edward PIGHTLIN taxed on 1 hearth at Trunch

Margaret PITLEN taxed on 1 hearth at Horstead
Henry PITLEN taxed on 6 hearths at Horstead
John PIGHTLEN at Horstead (number of hearths, missing)
Eliz PIGHTLEN at Horstead (number of hearths, missing)

So, apart from Bixley (just south of Norwich), the rest are all in a small area of NE Norfolk.

Lastly, if you follow the Horstead Pightlings into Norwich to see if you can then trace them out of the city - and wonder which parish to try first - the index to Norwich City Officers notes a John PIGHTLING as Constable at St.Peter Mancroft in 1700. Sheila Bell's index to Norfolk BTs in 1705 notes that tehre is an entry for the name in this parish; whilst the BT index for 1715 notes an entry for the name in St.Michael at Plea. These two parishes might be a useful place to start.

Geoffers

[suesharp667]

Hi Geoffers, Thanks for more info. I haven't been able to sort out all the info you sent me earlier! I already had a lot of bits & pieces from before I found this website & some of them seem to fit in.

I got kinda side tracked yesterday looking up some of the 'useful' websites ! I have a William Pightling that I found a while ago in 1881 census. He was born in Hethersett c. 1829 & was living in London with wife Mary Ann (born in London) & daughter Jesse also born in London. There was also a John Pightling who was born in Norfolk & came to London so that probably explains how the London branch got going.

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[suesharp667]

We didn't think there were many Pightlings around as there are only 2 with the family name on my side but I have been contacted recently by distant cousins that we didn't know about, in England & America. Sorry if this seems a bit confused. I am off work with a cold & brain seems to have seized up ! Sue

Added later......Have found record Thomas Pightling = Amphillis 11/10/1584 in Lammas with Little Hautbois. Seem to be family in Hethersett too.

John Pightling b. Hethersettt 1750 bur. 19/10/1828. poss mar. Christian Staff(e) 30/10/1786 had son George b.1787 who was a wheelwright d. in Henstead 1853.

Other sons David & John Staff Pightling who enlisted with West Norfolk Militia 9 June 1815. My family seems to be descended from this George via a few others. We have a George b. 1818 who married Louisa in Croydon

[suesharp667]

tried to send reply several times . it just kept repeating same paragraph so have given up!

[Geoffers]

tried to send reply several times . it just kept repeating same paragraph so have given up!
Hello Sue.
As moderator of this forum, I can do some nifty editing. I hope you don't mind, but I've restored your message without duplcation, spread over two posts. That way, anyone else who may be researching the same name will be able to pick up all your information. You can still delete the text. I hope this doesn't go against your intentions.

Geoffers

[suesharp667]

Hi Geoffers , Thanks for sorting it all out . I was just chucking a wobbly as I was going stir crazy being at home for 3 days ! Sue

[suesharp667]

Hi Geoffers, I've been looking back at the assortment of as yet unconnected records & have found John & Elizabeth Pightling who had 5 children baptised at St. Peter Mancroft, Norwich between 1704 & 1710. 2 of them have the same name so maybe they didn't all survive or maybe it was yet another John & Elizabeth !
I've also been looking at websites for Norfolk & seems like a lot of museums & stuff. especially Rural life museum Gressenhall. Looks like it may be worth a visit as it is in the middle of all the villages I found Pightlings in. Sue

[robbieuk]

Hello Geoffers,

I wonder whether you might be able to help me with my enigmatic Grix ancestors. Esther Grix was baptised in Marsham in 1784 the daughter of Christopher Grix and Susannah (nee Hammond) who married in Marhsam in 1776. Christopher appears to be the fourth son of Christopher Grix who was bured in Horstead in 1812, but I can't find a baptism for him or his five siblings: John who moved to Guildford; Stephen who moved to Hevingham; William who moved to Stepney, Esther who stayed in Marsham and married twice (Theo. Pye and Edward Delph) and Elizabeth.

A Christopher Grix was baptised in Binham in 1730 the son of Christopher and Amicia Grix.

Christopher (died 1812) was a farmer and his wife predeceased him.

Is there any mention in the history of Horstead of the GRIX name?

Many thanks in advance for any light you can shed on the family.

Rob Bates

[Geoffers]

There's one reference to the name in the book:
"Horstead. 22 July 1801. Burial. Rober Obadiah Hewitt, about 9 years, accidentally drowned in Christopher Grix's meadow."
This is a copy of an entry in the parish registers.

In Coltishall Parish Register - marriage, entry No.30 page 10:
22 Oct 1764 after banns. Christopher GRIX married Elizabeth KEELER
wit: Wm HILL, Richd CHALDERS (second witness was a Churchwarden and witnessed many marriages).

Coltishall A/T:
6 Jul 1776. Mary GRIX daur of Christopher & Elizabeth, bapt
(23?) Oct 1768. John GRIX son of Christr & Elizabeth, bapt

Horstead A/T
9 May 1779, Elizabeth GRIX, daur of Christopher & Elizabeth, bapt
16 May 1779, Elizabeth GRIX, inft, bur

[Redvers]

G'day Geoffers,
Would appreciate anything you can glean ref the family COLLS, Millers at Horstead Mill in the 18th C --- also Farmers and Merchants in the area. Don't know how 'in depth' the book goes, but anything that fleshes out bare bones would be fun.
Many thanks in advance
Red

[Geoffers]

Would appreciate anything you can glean ref the family COLLS, Millers at Horstead Mill in the 18th C --- also Farmers and Merchants in the area.
A long reply, bear with me.........

The book contains several references to the COLLS family in Horstead. These are mostly short and don't make a great deal of sense if taken out of context. I've attempted to extract detail and re-order it to make some narrative, or chronological sense. Some of the information quoted in the book is taken from a journal kept by Dr Charles GRAPE who was Rector of Horstead 1786-1815. 'The Recruiting Sergeant' mentioned is the village inn.

(page 152)
Circa 1780, one of the mills was re-built by Henry Palmer Watts and John COLLS (Dr GRAPE says "I have heard that he (John COLLS) came to live at Horstead Mill in 1766")

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[Geoffers]

part 2......
(page 162)
Baldwins - a house off Norwich Road, next to Street Farm (see later). "Later (in the 18th Century), it was conveyed to the Ives of Coltishall, with John COLLS, teh miller of Horstead as tenant. In 1782, Chapman Ives of Coltishall, beer-brewer, sold it to Henry Palmer Watts, junior, of Horstead."

(page 172)
John COLLS was one of six trustees of the Town Lands. The lands consisted of five pieces of land, the trustees let the land and distributed the rent amongst the poor of the parish. The trustees were also responsible for two cottages which were occupied by the poor, they were known as The Poor or Town Houses.

(page 154)
After the death of Henry Palmer Watts senior in 1780, the mills were worked by John COLLS and on of the Watts family - presumably Henry Palmer Watts junior. This partnership was dissolved in 1797 as appears from a notice in the Norfolk Chronicle issued on the 8th of April of that year:

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[Geoffers]

part 3.....

"Water Corn Mill to be sold. The spacious new built Water Corn Mill situate at Horstead in Nrofolk within 7 miles of Norwich upon the navigable river running to the Port of Great Yarmouth between which and the Mill there is no toll payable. The Mill is built on an improved plan, is capable of manufacturing 300 quarters of wheat weekly and is now in the occupation of Messrs COLLS and Watts, the proprietors, who have mutually agreed to dissolve their Partnership at Michaelmas next at which time or sooner the Purchaser may have possession of the Mill."

A note adds that John COLLS married Elizabeth EVERARD (? of Sprowston), by whom a large family baptsied at Horstead, Elizab. (1769), Robt. (1770), John (1771), Everard (1772), Hannah (1774), Richard (1775), Martha (1777), Mary (1782) and Joseph (1788). mrs. Eliza COLLS, widow, died at Coltishall, 1811, aged 65, and was buried in her husband's grave at Horstead.

continued.......

[Geoffers]

part 4......
(page 155)
John COLLS acquired the sole proprietorship of the business (Horstead Mill), and his name appears as a merchant of Horstead in peck's Norwich Directory, 1802. He was succeeded by his son, Richard, who remained here till 1835.
(page 146)
1789 - Dr Charles GRAPE wrote:
"The land of Horstead is very hungry & will east a deal of muck. It is let from 7 to 10 and 12 shillings per acre. Poor Mr Hawes rents some as 12s of Mr Batchelor which must be too dear as he will certainly find - the meadows being so poor & cold & arable land so sandy. The best land is Mr. COLLS late Pikes which is worth 12 s the acre. A good ressing of clay wd ameliorate Horstead soil."

(page 156)
Horstead Lodge - this is a house off the Norwich Road, about 1/4 mile south of The Recruiting Sergeant. Dr.Grape records that John COLLS the miller hired these premises in 1790 and that in 1791 they were occupied by old John Cooke.

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[Geoffers]

part 5......
(page 159)
Street Farm - This is almost opposite The Recruiting Sergeant. "In 1792, T. B. Steward sold the property to John COLLS, miller of Horstead, who in the same year, sold it to Rober Houghton of Norwich, butcher.
(page 161)
Green Lanes - anciently called Havergate, it runs east-west from Norwich Road towards Horstead House and the mill. A house stands about 50 yards into this lane from Norwich Road. "John and Sarah Pike had one son, Joseph, who in 1792 sold the house and lands to John COlls, the miller. The house had then been divided into four tenements occupied by John Foster, John Norgate, Joseph Pike and Robert Tower. In 1797, Colls sold the place to Thomas Blake of Norwich, barrister-at-law."

(page 114)
Keys Heath Farm - purchased by John COLLS, miller who sold it on to Robert HOUGHTON; the farm consisted on about 34 acres and lies off the Norwich Road, at the south end of the village.
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[Geoffers]

part 6......
(page 121)
John COLLS was tenant of Horstead Heath Farm in 1797 - The farm is just east of the mill and near Horstead House.
(page 173)
In 1805, the House of Industry was built at Horsham St. Faith's and the poor of surrounding parishes (including Horstead) were transferred to it. The old Poor Houses were sold. Dr. Grape wrote "There was a Town meeting at Horstead on 11 April 1808, when the Rector, Mr Baret, Me Lee, Mr Batchelor, Nash, Oaks & COLLS were present. At which mention was made about selling the Poor Houses at Horstead. Mr Baret & Mr Batchelor called on me afterwards upon it. I gave no encouragement....." (Dr Grape was opposed to selling the cottages and wrote a letter to Mr Batchelor expressing his views)

(Page71)
"Slab (very worn) near the South door for Mr John COLLS. The entry of his burial appears as follows in the Register:
23 Nov 1806: Mr John Colls married man aet 62. He is buried in the Church by the South Door & the Grave is exactly 3 feet from the stone step within the Church. He died at Yarmouth of an Apolplexy, whither he went on business."
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[Geoffers]

part 7.....

If you haven't been to the village, I have a fairly detailed map of Horstead and Stanninghall, and a few photos which I can scan and send by e-mail if they would interest you.

Norfolk library has a number of photos online
http://norlink.norfolk.gov.uk/cgi-bin/viewpoint-server-web.sh
including several of Horstead.

Owt else I can help you with?

Geoffers

[kelvin sloper]

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Can I ask you to look in your Horstead history book for any references to the Corbett family. In the 1930's, they may have had something to do with a garage in the village.

Thanks

[kelvin sloper]

Can now define names to Charles Frederick Corbett and Jane Elizabeth Corbett, hope that you can help

[Geoffers]

any references to the Corbett family. In the 1930's, they may have had something to do with a garage in the village.Written in 1937, the book is principally concerned with older events. There are however, some references to the surname:

Page 77
Churchyard memorials
CORBETT, Sir John, Admiral K.C.B, born 15 July 1822, died 10 Dec 1893. Georgina Grace, his wife, born 1 May 1839, died 21 Aug 1918. Mary Grace Corbett born 29 Mar 1865, died 12 Jan 1918. William John Corbett born 10 Aug 1866, died 7 Oct 1925.

There are some notes on this family's residence in Horstead House. I'll type this out for you if you believe it to be relevant.

If you get stuck finding out about the garage, you might try askign via the Marlpit, the local magazine
http://www.themarlpit.com/default.asp

Kelly's 1933 Directory does not mention a garage at Horstead, just The Central Garage (Cooke's) at Coltishall.

Geoffers

[NikO]

I'd really appreciate knowing if there is any reference to the Blofield family at the Recruiting Sergeant (1858-1887) or next door (1887-1895+) or the Ministers at the Recruiting Sergeant (1887-1891).

Many thanks

[Geoffers]

Page 166 lists innkeepers. William BLOFIELD was licensee from 1856, George Blofield took over in 1865. The book does not refer to when George's tenancy ended.


The parish registers list the burials of:
George BLOFIELD aged 13 in 1862 and
Hannah Juler BLOFIELD aged 78 in 1895

George and Hannah Juler BLOFELD had four children baptised at Horstead; all on the same date

28th April 1872 - William, Jane, Elizabeth and Francis(sic) Mary - children of George, innkeeper and Hannah Juler.

The same couple appear to have had a daughter, Julia, baptised at Coltishall in 1855, George was then a 'servant'

The couple seem to have had other children, a girl called Julia was buried aged 4, at Coltishall in 1850. The 1851 census seems to show George as a Butler in Woodbastwick, whilst his wife and children are in Coltishall.

Geoffers

[Geoffers]

Going to the second part of your query, no trace of 'Ministers' at the Recruiting Sergeant. Can you give any more detail of this family name?

The 1891 census shows your Blofield family living next door to the Recruiting Sergeant where Robert Pratt was then licensee.

In passing, I see that different census returns appear to give different birthplaces for George Blofield, one is possibly Irstead, others appear to record Horstead and some Kirstead. I see that George appears to have married Hannah BIRD in 1846 in Loddon District, which includes the parish of Kirstead - perhaps giving an indication that this is the correct interpretation for where he was born.

Geoffers

[RedZell]

Hi Geoffers,

I would very much appreciate receiving information as to any references to the POSTLE family that you might find in this publication.

Thanks,
Iain

[notanotherminer]

Hi Iain and welcome to Brit-Gen :smile:

Geoffers has not been on the Forum for some time and may not see your post. However if you would like to start your own thread with as much detail as possible about your Postle families I'm sure our members will do their best to help.

[Eric Ponton]

Hi Geoffers,

I would very much appreciate any references to EMPSON or KELF that you might find in the book please.

Pam Downes

Just seen your blog. My GGF Charles Henry Ponton married Elizabeth Kelf 27 July 1890 in Norwich.She was born 1855 in Norwich and died Nov 1933 in Norwich.She did live for a time in Newcastle when Charles Henry was alive.
Is she perchance related to any of the Kelfs you are interested in?

[Pam Downes]

Just seen your blog. My GGF Charles Henry Ponton married Elizabeth Kelf 27 July 1890 in Norwich.She was born 1855 in Norwich and died Nov 1933 in Norwich.She did live for a time in Newcastle when Charles Henry was alive.
Is she perchance related to any of the Kelfs you are interested in?
Hi Eric,
I haven't done much on the Kelfs (and when I did, I went very nearly went wrong about one generation back :biggrin:).
A quick glance at the 1861 census says 'no', but as Kelf is such an unusual name then I'm sure she/they/we connect at some point in time. :smile: My line is through Charles, the French polisher born c 1829 in Norwich, and his wife Mary Ann Agnes nee Cooke, and their daughter Mary born c 1852.
My FH research is currently on hold at the moment until I get all my old notes which are at present filed on 'pieces of paper' either written up if relevant or binned, but I've made a note of your connection to the Kelfs for when I get started again.

Pam

[Chris Haines]

Since it seems that Geoffers is no longer active on the Forum (very sadly missed), readers of this thread who want to see what is in Percy Millican's 1937 book on the History of Horstead and Stanninghall - and also have an
http://
search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=27417
Chris

[Chris Haines]

Hi Iain
There are mentions of the following POSTLEs in the Percy Millican book:
Robert POSTLE on pages 102, 113 and 119;
Samuel Tolver POSTLE from Suffolk (and his wife Hannah née WATTS) on pages 122 & 158.
If you're an Ancestry subscriber, the digitized copy of the book can be viewed at
http://
search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=27417
Chris

[Chris Haines]

Hi Geoffers,

I would very much appreciate receiving information as to any references to the POSTLE family that you might find in this publication.

Thanks,
Iain
Hi Iain,
I forgot to press the "quote" button when sending my recent message about POSTLEs in the Millican book.
Chris

[RedZell]

Hi Iain
There are mentions of the following POSTLEs in the Percy Millican book:
Robert POSTLE on pages 102, 113 and 119;
Samuel Tolver POSTLE from Suffolk (and his wife Hannah née WATTS) on pages 122 & 158.
If you're an Ancestry subscriber, the digitized copy of the book can be viewed at
http://
search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=27417
Chris

Hi Chris,

Thanks very much for doing this POSTLE look-up for me and confirming that the book contains these POSTLE references; I do know that Robert was Samuel's father's name and that Samuel's father Robert POSTLE of Horstead is an ancestor that I am pursuing.

Unfortunately, I am not currently in a position to subscribe to Ancestry (and to my surprise, the Library Edition of Ancestry does not grant access to this particular publication), but I now know that I definitely need to obtain the information contained in Mr. Millican's book at a later date.

Thanks again and have a good day!
Iain

[Chris Haines]

Hi Chris,

Thanks very much for doing this POSTLE look-up for me and confirming that the book contains these POSTLE references; I do know that Robert was Samuel's father's name and that Samuel's father Robert POSTLE of Horstead is an ancestor that I am pursuing.

Unfortunately, I am not currently in a position to subscribe to Ancestry (and to my surprise, the Library Edition of Ancestry does not grant access to this particular publication), but I now know that I definitely need to obtain the information contained in Mr. Millican's book at a later date.

Thanks again and have a good day!
Iain

Hi Iain

From a quick scan of the Millican History of Horstead etc, it looks to me as though the main involvement of the POSTLE family was as tenants of property at Heggatt Hall owned by the BARET family and also at Horstead House, or by marriage into the WATTS family who once owned the latter. So you may well wish to get access to a copy yourself to explore the complexities of the ownership of Heggatt Hall and Horstead House.

Meanwhile, here’s a quick note about the POSTLE references on the pages already mentioned.

page 102: A footnote concerning the Heggatt Hall estate occupied by the BARET family states that on the death of Robert BARET Jnr, the whole of the estate was let to Robert POSTLE who remained there till 1823. (It seems to have been a fairly substantial property, since elsewhere on this page it says that when it was sold by Robert BARET’s daughters in 1832 it comprised 487 acres.)

page 113: A short list of the known tenants of a former farm (house [now gone] plus 71 acres), which was sold in 1678 to Thomas BARET, the then owner of Heggatt Hall, includes a Robert POSTLE in 1808.

page 119: At the start of the 19th century, Horstead House belonged to the WATTS family, but then passed by bequest to a godson & distant relative to the LYONS family, who lived there for a while but then leased it. In 1854, it was leased to Robert POSTLE [and in 1868 to Elwin HASTINGS].

page 122: A family tree of the descendants of Stephen WATTS of Horstead and his son John WATTS (baptized 1675 in Horstead, buried 1756 in East Dereham), shows that John’s granddaughter Hannah WATTS (born 1782) in 1829 married Samuel Tolver POSTLE of Thelnetham, Suffolk, and afterwards of Browick Hall, Wymondham, Norfolk. [Since she was 46-47 at the time of marriage, one assumes there were no children from this.]

page 158: In a discussion of the occupancy of Horstead Lodge, it is noted that in 1829, two of Hannah’s sisters (Elizabeth and Maria) purchased the lands belonging to the house, and that this was the same year that Hannah married Samuel Tolver POSTLE – repeating the details given in the family tree on page 122.

I hope this provides a few clues to keep you going until you can get access to the book.
Chris