Lost family of Charles and Hellen Simpson

[slewis]

Hello all
I am looking for the family of Charles Simpson, born abt 1822 Laxfield, Sufolk, wife Hellen born abt 1830 Kenton, Suffolk, children were John b abt 1849, Mary Ann b abt 1851, James b abt 1853, Fanny b abt 1856, all in Debenham Suffolk.
I have found the family in 1861, and found sons John and James in Islington, in 1871 but had no luck with any other census, if any one can help find the family or any family member I would realy appreciate it.
Regards Sue

[blue eyes]

On the 1851 census there is a Charles Simpson age 28 born Southwold occ labourer ag., wife Rachell Simpson born Kenton age 24 born abt 1827, son John age 2 born abt 1849 Debenham and a daughter Miriam age 9mths born Debenham.

Civil parish Debenham, reg dist Bosmere, sub reg dist Coddenham.

Class H0107
Piece 1797
Folio 95

Julie

[blue eyes]

December 1/4 1845 there is a marriage of a Charles Simpson a Rachel Brunning is also listed, vol 12 page 649, district Bosmere, county Suffolk.

Julie

[slewis]

Hi Julie
Thanks for your help, all the date's are close, I wonder did they just get the wife name wrong on the 1861 census.?
Thanks again regards Sue

[blue eyes]

Found this family on the 1891 census

civil parish Walthamstow
Registration district West Ham
Sub registration district Walthamstow

Class RG12
Piece 1353
Folio 112

James Simpson head age 38 occ labourer born Debenham Suffolk
Eliza wife age 40 born Debenhanm
Jasper son age 16 occ errand boy born Bocop? Lancashire
James son age 13 occ light packer born Stacklands? Lancashire
Lilly dau age 11 born Debenham
Annie dau age 9 born Debenham
Laura dau age 6 born Walthamstow
Arthur son age 4 born Walthamstow

[Peter Goodey]

The 1871 census shows Charles Simpson with Rachel in Debenham.

Do you have the birth certificate of one of the children showing the mother's maiden name? Or any firm evidence of the woman's name?

[Karen Newman]

The IGI has a daughter b to Charles and Rachel in 1851 called Mary Ann (rather than Miriam). There are one or two possibilities for Hellen (Ellen?) on the IGI b in Kenton around 1830 but Rachel Brunning comes up there too.

So Rachel was one wife and Hellen another OR they are the same person and the name is merely wrong on the census. A copying error perhaps?

Do you have any birth certs for any of the children - ideally one before and 1861 and one after would be ideal but that would just be too good to be true.

Charles and Rachel appear on the 1871 (no children with them) but he is shown as being b in Laxfield.

The 1881 has a widowed Charles of around the right age still in Debenham.

[blue eyes]

1891-

civil parish Islington
reg dist Islington sub reg dist Upper Holloway

Class RG12
Piece 148
Folio 92

John Simpson age 42 occ carman born Debenham
Agnes wife born Garsdon Wilts
John son age 18 born Islington
Florence dau age 17 occ servant domestic born Islington
Charles son age 16 occ factory -----born Islington
Thomas son age 13 " " born Islington
Robert son age 11 scholar born Islington
Fanny dau age 9 scholar born Islington
Willie son age 6 born Islington

[blue eyes]

Marriage for Fanny Simpson to Jasper Fordham 1872 district West Ham Sept 1/4 .They are both on the 1891 census Fanny born in Debenham Suffolk.

Got to go to cook dinnner

[blue eyes]

Marriage for Mary Ann Simpson to James Fordham 1867 Sept 1/4 West Ham. Mary Ann is on the census as being born Debenham abt 1850.

[blue eyes]

Couldnt find a death for Rachel in Suffolk but found this one in West Ham year 1889 Sept 1/4 born abt 1836.

[slewis]

Hi Julie, Karen and Peter
Sorry I have not got back to you befor now, What can I say, you have found shuch a lot of info, regarding Charles, I think as you have said I will have to get hold of a few certificates, but I think with James and John you are spot on. Can I say thakyou so much to you all, for your time and help, I realy appreciate it.
Regards Sue

[Janp]

HI I am hoping you still subscribe to this forum as I just found the post and joined. I am descended from the marriage of Charles Simpson and Rachel Brunning, and further down the line, from the marriage of Jasper Fordham and Fanny Simpson.
I have quite a lot of info mainly gleaned from other researchers but al also trying to bottom out the ancestors of Charles and Rachel. There seems to be quite a few Brunning families in the Bosmere area using similar names and alhtough i know this marriage is the right one, I am not at all sure of their parents. Do get bakc in touch if you have anything more to share or I may have some things oyu od not have. Jan