Thomas Grantham, born Kidlington 1821

[johnadey]

I am researching the above individual and his ancestors, I have the 1841 census which shows Thomas as the son of William and Martha Grantham of Kidlington. does anyone have any earlier information please?

I have traced Thomas through all of the census returns and for some reason he changes his name to Thomas Gould in 1871. Does anyone have any idea why this could be?

Regards & thanks
John Adey

[Mythology]

I have the 1841 census which shows Thomas as the son of William and Martha Grantham of Kidlington.

Got a reference for that?

I'm looking at a Thomas Grantham aged 20 in 1841 who...
a) is in Kiddington, which, from Oxford, is over half way to Chipping Norton, not Kidlington, which is only a few miles out of Oxford on the Banbury road.
b) is with a 58 year-old Martha - no William.
c) as is normal with the 1841, is not shown as her son. Presumably, as you say you've traced him later, you know he is from other sources - but if not, then there is no reason to assume from the 1841 that he is, he could just as easily be a nephew or whatever.

Am I missing something, or do you want to start again so that those with Oxfordshire resources know what they are supposed to be looking at, and where?

[janbooth]

John,

From the OFHS Baptismal Transcripts CD of Kidlington:

25 November 1827 Thomas GRANTHAM son James & Martha, Plasterer.

There are several other baptisms to this couple:

8 December 1822 Matilda GRANTHAM daughter James & Martha, Plasterer
6 March 1825 Ann GRANTHAM daughter James & Martha, Plasterer
11 July 1830 John GRANTHAM son James & Martha, Plasterer

From the OFHS Marriage Transcript:

4 March 1822 James GRANTHAM, Widr married Martha SMITH, Widow
of Wooton by Banns. Witnesses: William &
Ann GRANTHAM

It looks as if James GRANTHAM was previously married to an Ann:

14 June 1818 William son of James & Ann GRANTHAM, Slater &
Plasterer baptised
29 May 1814 Eliza daughter James & Ann GRANTHAM, Mason,
baptised

More to follow

Janet

[Peter Goodey]

25 November 1827 Thomas GRANTHAM son James & Martha, Plasterer.
This appears to be consistent with the 1841 census entry in Kidlington (not Kiddington!).

[johnadey]

Thank you.

The 1841 census which I believe includes my man is reference HO107/890/3

Regards & thanks
John Adey

[johnadey]

Thank you Jan.

Very helpful.

John

[Mythology]

Message title:

Thomas Grantham, born Kidlington 1821
Hence me arriving at Thomas aged 20 in Kiddington...

The 1841 census which I believe includes my man is reference HO107/890/3
Which is indeed Kidlington not Kiddington, but has a Thomas Grantham aged 12. He, as Peter says, fits the son of James and Martha who Jan found - but is hardly consistent with your stated 1821 birth.
His father is either absent or dead - there's nobody in that household old enough to be him, so just how you arrived at
I have the 1841 census which shows Thomas as the son of William and Martha Grantham of Kidlington.I am still baffled.

I give up.

[johnadey]

Sorry I have jumped to conclusions without reading things properly William is most likely a sibling of Thomas, Martha is probably his mother and his father is either dead or away.

Another slap on the wrist for me, I will read things twice before typing next time because rechecking my information so far I can see that Thomas was born in 1829 not 1821.

I am sorry to have wasted peoples time due to my errors.

John

[Mythology]

No problem - I just couldn't work out from your original stuff who we were supposed to be looking for!
The Kidlington stuff that Jan provided makes sense, which, as Thomas is 1827 and his parents appear to have married in 1822, rules out the idea which was at the back of my mind - that Thomas might be an illegitimate Gould who had later found out who he was and decided to use his birth name.

William is most likely a sibling of ThomasI would guess (which is about all we can do with the 1841 in most cases) that, given the rounding down of ages, he's his half-brother - William of 1818 from James's previous marriage to Ann whoever.

[janbooth]

John,

I have also checked the OFHS Baptismal Transcripts of Kiddington and there are no GRANTHAM baptisms there in the appropriate period.

More from Kidlington Transcripts:

I can find no burial of an Ann GRANTHAM prior to James' remarriage in 1822 but there is the burial of an Elizabeth GRANTHAM on 23 May 1821, aged 37 - maybe a mistake by the Minister???

15 April 1832 Eliz. GRANTHAM buried, aged 17
7 May 1840 James GRANTHAM buried, aged 56

James GRANTHAM was not baptised in Kidlington and there are no GRANTHAM baptisms in Kidlington prior to 1814.

Looking at the census records, the above GRANTHAM family are definitely in Kidlington in the 1841 census (HO107/890/3, folio 8, page 9) and the William shown is Martha's stepson who was baptised in 1818.

There is a marriage in Kidlington on 27 July 1851 of Joseph HARRIS, bach, labourer, son John, labourer to Ann GRANTHAM, spinster, daughter of James, Slater. Witnesses: Thomas GRANTHAM and John RAND

It also looks as if sister Matilda had a son Thomas who was baptised on 26 February 1844 at Kidlington and that stepbrother William married a Jane and they had a son James who was baptised on 11 May 1845 followed by several other children.

There is no burial for Martha GRANTHAM at Kidlington.

Good luck.

Janet

[johnadey]

Thank you very much for your help.

John

[neil40]

Got a reference for that?

I'm looking at a Thomas Grantham aged 20 in 1841 who...
a) is in Kiddington, which, from Oxford, is over half way to Chipping Norton, not Kidlington, which is only a few miles out of Oxford on the Banbury road.
b) is with a 58 year-old Martha - no William.
c) as is normal with the 1841, is not shown as her son. Presumably, as you say you've traced him later, you know he is from other sources - but if not, then there is no reason to assume from the 1841 that he is, he could just as easily be a nephew or whatever.

Am I missing something, or do you want to start again so that those with Oxfordshire resources know what they are supposed to be looking at, and where?I found this thread yesterday, and I can tidy up the details of this particular section of the thread.
The Martha and Thomas Grantham of KIDDINGTON, are part of my extended GRANTHAM family, and thus far I have been unable to link them to KIDLINGTON Granthams.
Martha here, is the widow of Joseph GRANTHAM, the brother of my 3x Great Grandfather. Joseph was born in Wolston, Warwickshire, and the family moved to Lower Heyford, Oxon, where they set up and ran a Wharf on the canal.
Joseph sold his share to his brothers, and took a farm in Kiddington (White House farm, still there today)
Joseph died in 1837, hence not being present on the 1841 census.
Thomas was his son, and Martha was Nee Blencowe. They married at Lower Heyford in 1815, and had 8 children I know of, Thomas was born 1819

I'd be interested to hear from the original poster here (John Adey) to see if there is any common ground.

Neil Grantham.
Bicester, Oxon.