James William Firman - Alice Brackenbury

[Kavik]

Hello all,

I am hoping very much to find a record of a marriage that took place in (we believe) February of 1903.

There is a James William Firman as showing married in the first quarter of 1903 in Nottingham, in "Vol 7"

Groom's name was James William Firman (born 20/21.JAN.1879 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire)

Bride's name was Alice Brackenbury (born 13.OCT.1875 in Horbling, Lincolnshire).

Also would love to confirm a birth of an Alice May Firman/Brackenbury, born 29.OCT.1904, most likely in Nottingham) She was the daughter of Alice, but we suspect not the daughter of James.


ANY help or direction would be most appreciated!!!!

Kavik
Manchester, NH - USA

[Paul Marshall]

The scans of the GRO Index are free to view on Ancestry.

There is an Alice May Brackenbury born Dec Q 1904 in St Georges, Hanover Square (London)

Paul

[Kavik]

Thanks Paul,

Unfortunately, that's not her. The birth date and place are definately known - in Horbling, the Brackenbury family owned and opperated the Plough Inn, which still stands today.

Kavik

[Peter Goodey]

Unfortunately, that's not her. The birth date and place are definately known
I wouldn't be so quick to write that one off if I were you. You can only "definitely know" that her birthplace was Notts when you've located a birth certificate or some other proof. Ancestors had a habit of not being born, marrying or dying in the right place.

[Paul Marshall]

There is an Alice May Brackenbury born Dec Q 1904 in St Georges, Hanover Square (London)

I should have said that her birth was registered in London

Paul

[Kavik]

True - I agree and have found many "discrepancies" over the course of my research, but this one here is also backed up by census records here in the US as well as immigration records. I'm pretty confident that the birthdate is correct.

Would anyone know the name (and possibly the e-mail address) of the local Anglican/Episcopal church in Nottingham? Or perhaps I'd have better luck with the deanery?

I have just come across another US census record which seems to confirm a 1903 marriage.

Thanks again!

Kavik

[Paul Marshall]

I should have said that her birth was registered in London

PaulI was referring to Alice May - the daughter.
She is the only Alice Brackenbury registered in the December Quarter of 1904, there are no Alice Firmans.
December Quarter means the months October-November-December, the Index doesn't record the exact date of birth.
She could have been born in Nottingham and the birth registered in London, I think the time limit for registering a birth was 41 days.

Paul

[Paul Marshall]

Kavik,

This is Alice May's birth reference

Births Dec 1904
Brackenbury Alice May
St Geo H Sq 1a 424

The birth certificate will show her place of birth and mother's name and place of birth, and possibly the father, although if she wasn't married that's unlikely.
The only way is to order the certificate, unfortunately, from

http://www.gro.gov.uk



This is the marriage you found in 1903

Marriages Mar 1903
Firman James William
Pole Alice Elizabeth
Truman Thomas Valentine
Woodhouse Gertrude Sarah
Nottingham 7b 450

ie J W Firman married either Alice Pole or Gertrude Woodhouse
There is no Alice Brackenbury married in that quarter

Paul

[Paul Marshall]

Kavik,

I've only just seen your previous thread, sorry if I'm repeating information you have already

http://www.familysearch.org

In the IGI there is

Alice Brackenbury
Christening: 07 JAN 1876 Horbling, Lincoln, England
Father: Hubert Brackenbury
Mother: Sophia

Richard Taylor Brackenbury
Christening: 23 FEB 1873 Horbling, Lincoln, England
Father: Hubert Brackenbury
Mother: Dorothy Sophia

Elisabeth Florence Brackenbury
Christening: 13 APR 1879 Horbling, Lincoln, England
Father: Hubert Brackenbury
Mother: Sophia

Mary May Brackenbury
Christening: 10 MAY 1874 Horbling, Lincoln, England
Father: Hubert Brackenbury
Mother: Dorothy Sophia

Batch No. C011163

[Paul Marshall]

The marriage which Janet found ...

Mar 1872
Brackenbury Hubert
Short Dorothy Sophia
Marylebone 1a 751

This would tie in with the birth of eldest son Richard

There seems to be a connection here, Marylebone and St Georges Hanover Square being about half a mile apart .... So Alice could have been in London at the time of her giving birth to Alice May in October 1904 ?

Have you found any thing further ?

Paul

[Paul Marshall]

Kavik,

This is the birth record for James Firman

(I have checked the FULL index - 1880 is correct)

Births Mar 1880
FIRMAN James William
Nottingham 7b 349

I cannot see a birth for Alice, the one for Lucy looks very likely

Births Dec 1875
Brackenbury Lucy
Bourn 7a 328

This is almost certainly her brother, his birth certificate will give you his mother's maiden name

Births Mar 1873
Brackenbury Richard Taylor
Bourn 7a 327

or

Births Jun 1874
Brackenbury Mary May
Bourn 7a 348

Births Jun 1879
Brackenbury Elizabeth Florence
Bourn 7a 357

Births Jun 1877
Brackenbury Hubert
Bourn 7a 373

Paul

[Kavik]

Hi Paul,

Thanks VERY much for the info!!

No, unfortunately, I have not found anything further - trying to get a few records on this side of the pond, but I'm not sure if they'll tell me anything.

Some of the info on siblings I had, but not the exact birth/Christening dates!

I hadn't realized how close the two locations (Marylebone and St. George's Hanover Sq.) are - very possible!!

Again, thanks for the info - looks like I'll have to order a birth certificate or two to clear up the mystery!

Kavik