GARDENER & BARNETT - 1861 & 1871 Census

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

If anyone has access to the above Censuses, I'd be very grateful for a look-up of two familes living in Wooburn.

In March 1862, Edwin GARDENER married Lydia BARNETT at the Parish Church, both their residences at the time of this marriage are listed as just Wooburn, his Father is named as John, her Father is named as William. Edwin and Lydia left the County in 1863, but his Father was still there in 1881:

John GARDNER Head M Male 71 Horton, Buckingham, Ginger Beer Manfr.
Rebecca GARDNER Wife M Female 70 Wycombe, Buckingham
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Source Information:
Dwelling Egghams Green
Census Place Wooburn, Buckingham, England
Family History Library Film 1341355
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1465 / 95
Page Number 32

Thankyou.

[Procat]

Hi Diane:

This is from the 1871 census. Unfortunately the image is not yet loaded but if someone has the discs this will help:

Name: John Gardner
Age in 1871: 61
Estimated birth year: 1810
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Horton, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Wooburn
Ecclesiastical parish: Wooburn
Town: Wooburn
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Source information: RG10/1404
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: High Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Folio: 129
Page: 2
Household schedule number: 10

There were also:
Joseph Gardner 18 Born Wooburn, Buckinghamshire, Son
Peter Gardner, 22 Born Wooburn, Buckinghamshire, Son
Rebeca Gardner, 60 Born Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, Wife

No joy for the Barnetts but the Bucks entries are minimal at this time.

If no one else can assist remind me in say four weeks and I can check again for you.

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Hello Doug,

What a lovely surprise when I checked in this morning (couldn't get back again yesterday :( )

Thankyou so much for looking for me and the success with the Gardener family, you've made my day!

I've filed this thread in my Surname Interests folder, so I'll take you up on your kind offer of trying to find the BARNETT's for me in a couple of months or so. :)

[Procat]

Hi Diane,

No need to wait that long. Once the information is there the images tend to appear soon after. And it is no hardship to search for them - sometimes I just love computers. :)

Doug.

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Hi Doug,

May I ask you for a further look-up please? I bought the 1851 Census for the Reg. District of Wycombe and found the BARNETT's on it (yippee!)

Lydia was 9 and living with Parents William and Hannah, and someone called Sarah WARRICK and hubby ...... I wondered if this Sarah was her sister as she was born at Wooburn ..... there's no relationship to Head of household listed for her.

I've just found the hubby in 1881 living at Flackwell Heath, Wycombe and he's a widower, but think Sarah was Lydia's sister, as one of the daughter's in 1881 is called Lydia!

I'm wondering if Sarah was still alive in 1871?

Joseph WARWICK Head W Male 49 Reading, Berkshire, England Carpenter
Lydia WARWICK Daur U Female 23 Flackwell Heath, Buckingham, England Mill Worker
Agnes WARWICK Daur U Female 19 Flackwell Heath, Buckingham, England Mill Worker
Amy WARWICK Daur U Female 16 Flackwell Heath, Buckingham, England Mill Worker
Joseph J. WARWICK Son U Male 14 Flackwell Heath, Buckingham, England Mill Worker

Thanks a lot.

[Trish]

Diane,

Yes, Sarah is alive in 1871 -- she and Joseph are living in Little Marlow, Buckinghamshire [no image available yet]:

Name / Age / Birthplace / Relationship
Joseph Warrick 39 Reading, Berkshire, England Head
Sarah Warrick 42 Wooburn, Buckinghamshire, England Wife
Sarah P Warrick 19 Wooburn, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter
Elizabeth A Warrick 16 Wooburn, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter
Lydia R Warrick 14 Wooburn, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter
Emily H Warrick 13 Wooburn, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter
Agnes M Warrick 7 Wooburn, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter
Amy J Warrick 6 Wooburn, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter
Joseph J Warrick 4 Wooburn, Buckinghamshire, England Son

Source information: RG10/1404
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: High Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Folio: 166
Page: 35
Household schedule number: 165

Hope this helps,
Trish
Toronto, Canada

[Procat]

Hey, I've been bumped. :)

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Hello Trish,

Thankyou so much for the look-up, it was very kind of you to do it for me, nice to find that Sarah was still alive then. :)

Hello Doug,

Hey, I've been bumped. :)

:) I had to laugh when I read this ..... don't worry, I'm still waiting for more uploads to Buckinghamshire ...... just to give you the satisfaction of being able to find William BARNETT and wife Hannah in the 1871!

They were living in Bourne End, Wooburn in 1851.

Does the 1891 Census have a search by forename and birthplace? I cannot find Edwin & Lydia Gardener in this census, even though friends have searched their addresses in 1881 and 1901 on their CD's. On these two censuses, their names, ages and birthplaces are up the wall, but they were definitely living in Paddington in 1901.

If a search is possible, could you try for Lydia/Eldia b. 1841-1842 with birthplaces of Wooburn/Wycombe/Buckinghamshire, also Marylebone and Paddington as she states on the 1881 and 1901 censuses respectively please?

[Trish]

Hey, I've been bumped. :)So sorry, Doug. I couldn't resist! It's like an addiction. I promise to leave all of Diane's further queries in your capable hands! :D

Trish

[Procat]

So sorry, Doug. I couldn't resist! It's like an addiction. I promise to leave all of Diane's further queries in your capable hands! :D

Trish

Jump in any time Trish,

And yes it is addictive.

[Procat]

They were living in Bourne End, Wooburn in 1851.

Does the 1891 Census have a search by forename and birthplace? I cannot find Edwin & Lydia Gardener in this census, even though friends have searched their addresses in 1881 and 1901 on their CD's. On these two censuses, their names, ages and birthplaces are up the wall, but they were definitely living in Paddington in 1901.

If a search is possible, could you try for Lydia/Eldia b. 1841-1842 with birthplaces of Wooburn/Wycombe/Buckinghamshire, also Marylebone and Paddington as she states on the 1881 and 1901 censuses respectively please?
Hi Diane,

Ancestry census is searchable by any name.

Unfortunately I drew a blank for you despite trying many permutations.

Sorry,

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

|shakehead Oh dear ...... looks as though this is going to be my |banghead| as Edwin Gardener is also eluding me on his year of birth! He must have lied about his age on his Marriage Cert (like my Grandfather did) as there are no birth records on 1837.com for the year it should be.

I thought I had found it, but Mythology found out for me that the one I had was the son of Daniel and not John! He is going to try and look Edwin up on the 1861 Census to see how it compares to my 1851, where he is called Edward aged 7! :(

Thankyou so much for looking for me Doug.

[Procat]

Hi Diane,

Not a problem. I presume that you don't know of any children that would have been present in 1871 that I could search under?

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Hi Doug,

Silly me ..... forgot about them! :o There is supposed to be James GARDENER b. 1862 Holloway, John b. 1864 Marylebone and Agnes Mary who is the only one I bought the birth cert for.

Agnes Mary b. 29 Dec 1863 at 1 Hardington Place, Marylebone.

Thankyou.

[Procat]

Hi Diane,

OK, have just checked 1871 again for John and still not available.

I have also checked for the kids of Edwin in 1871 and 1891 and I have come to the conclusion you have ghostly connections.

I am sure they will appear (and may even be there now) but I can find nothiing to positively identify or even remotely identify them based on what we have to date. There are possibilities of course but all have wrong places of birth and the London ones are not with the parents that have names that even come close. I checked under both Gardner and Gardener.

Sorry,

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Hi Doug,

Thankyou for trying again for me, this lot are a real mess! :(
This is what I'm up against, as you will see, the Censuses are up the wall, with ages and birthplaces!

CENSUS APRIL 1881
Dwelling: 8 Carlton Place, Paddington, London

Edward GARDNER (34) Married Male born Berkshire
Rel: Head
Occ: Carman

Lydia GARDNER (30) Married Female born Marylebone
Rel: Wife

James GARDNER (18) Unmarried Male born Holloway
Rel: Son
Occ: Labourer

Aganes GARDNER (16) Unmarried Female born Marylebone
Rel: Daughter
Occ: Teacher (Sch)

Emily GARDNER (9) Female born Marylebone
Rel: Daughter
Occ: Scholar

John GARDNER (7) Male born Marylebone
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar

Mary GARDNER (6) Female born Marylebone
Rel: Daughter
Occ: Scholar

Sarah GARDNER (3) Female born Marylebone
Rel: Daughter

William GARDNER (4 mths) Male born Paddington
Rel: Son
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CENSUS MARCH 1901
Dwelling: 63 Clarendon Street, Paddington

Edwin GARDNER (63) Married Male born Paddington
Rel: Head
Occ: No Trade

Eldia GARDNER (53) Married Female born Paddington
Rel: Wife

Mary GARDNER (22) Unmarried Female born Paddington
Rel: Daughter
Occ: Shop Worker

Thomas GARDNER (17) Unmarried Male born Paddington
Rel: Son
Occ: Van Guard

George GARDNER (3) Male born Paddington
Rel: Son

Florence GARDNER (7 mths) Female born Paddington
Rel: Daughter

N.B. George and Florence are the children of Mary ....... they are the Grandchildren of Edwin.
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[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Hi Doug,

Update on this lot ...... I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is them in the 1891 Census ...... pretty please? |bowdown|

5 Pembroke Place, Willesden

Edwin GARDENER (55) Head Marr Labourer b. Buckingham
Emily (47) Wife b. Buckingham - hopefully Lydia! |bowdown|
John (23) Son Single b. Holloway
Mary (17) Daughter Single Domestic Labourer b. Marylebone
William (15) Son Servant b. Willesden
George (9) Son b. Paddington Idiot
Alfred (7) Son Scholar b. Willesden
Tom (2) Son b. Paddington

[Procat]

Hi Diane,

Hmm, looks promising. :)

I presume you have the image for the 1891? If not I can send it to you.

I have revisited the 1871 but can still not find them unfortunately.

Regards,

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Hi Doug,

Yes I have the image, but thanks for asking. Santa brought me FTM 2005 for Christmas and 30 day freebie access to Ancestry was part of the package. :D

[Procat]

Hi Diane,

A dangerous gift that Santa gave you.
You may not want to let it go at the end. :)

[miggsy]

Hi Diane,

Edwin Gardener was my Great great Grandfathers brother Edwin was the son Of John Gardener And Rebecca Gardener nee Hobbs He was born At Egghams Green Wooburn Bucks on 27/2/1843 I have his birth cert It would be great to hear from you regards Michael

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Hi Michael,

Oooh, that's great! :) I'll be back later, as I'm not 'quite with it' at this time in the morning for serious stuff! :D

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Hi Michael,

Sorry for the delay ..... we had visitors! :)

Edwin Gardener is the Gt. Grandfather of my sister-in-law, Lena Forrest, nee Evans. My brother lost interest in researching her family, when he hit obstacles on both lines |banghead| ....... so he handed them over to me. I managed to make terrific progress with the Evans line, with the help of a friend but not as much with the Gardener's! :(

Edwin married Lydia BARNETT on the 29 Mar 1862 Wooburn Parish Church, the Wedding Witnesses were John WAPSHOTT & Mary ROSE.

Edwin died 04 Nov 1918 Paddington.

In my file, I have nine children altogether for John and Rebecca, all showing as unmarried except for Edwin! Which one of the sons are you descended from? William, Thomas, Henry, James, Peter or Joseph?

[miggsy]

Hi Diane,
I am descended from Thomas born 8.4.1838 Thorney Parish of Iver Bucks He died 1 Feb 1922 in Mitcham West Croydon He Married Mary Ann Ottaway 13/9/1857 at Bawburgh Parish Church Norfolk

Joseph Gardener married Ellen Meads on 26th April 1873 at Wooburn Parish Church wit Peter Gardener and Mary Gardener

Peter Gardener married Mary Golbey 25th November 1871 Wooburn parish church wit John Gardener and Ellen Meads

William Gardener married Sarah Dormer 5th July 1851 Wooburn Parish Church wit William Langley and Emma Gardener

Henry Gardener Married Caroline Sugg 7th Dec 1861 Hammersmith Parish Church wit Henry Sugg and Eliza Reynolds

Can you tell me where Edwin was buried ? When Lydia died ? and are there any photos of the them speak soon Michael

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Hi Michael,

Thanks for all the info re Edwin's siblings :) Unfortunately, I've no idea where Edwin and Lydia are buried, but Lydia died 17 May 1905 Hendon.

No photo of her ...... but a great one of Edwin! :D

http://uk.geocities.com/diane.gerry@btinternet.com/gardedwi.JPG

I think it would be better to write direct from now on, don't you? My email address is:

[chrisclifford]

John GARDNER Head M Male 71 Horton, Buckingham, Ginger Beer Manfr.

I live at Berghers Hill, Wooburn Common and have in my possession a ginger beer bottle with the inscribed name H.GARDENER, WOOBURN, BUCKS. Is this a relation of John Gardener?
Thanks, Chris Clifford

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

John GARDNER Head M Male 71 Horton, Buckingham, Ginger Beer Manfr.

I live at Berghers Hill, Wooburn Common and have in my possession a ginger beer bottle with the inscribed name H.GARDENER, WOOBURN, BUCKS. Is this a relation of John Gardener?
Thanks, Chris Clifford

I don't really know :confused: John did have a son called Henry, who was born in 1841. In the 1881 Census (same year as the one for John), Henry was still living in Wooburn, Buckinghamshire, but his occupation is Master Baker.