View Full Version : could someone help me out plz?
03-10-2006, 7:38 PM
firstly let me say im a new member and only wish id found you all ages ago when i first started doing my family research!
im in a bit of a quandry. ive made it as far back as my gt gt gt grandfather John Kay c1804 poulton cum seacombe but am stuck now. i really need to find his baptism/birth to find his parents and/or his marriage record to mary c1809. ive no idea what year the were married but they seem to be in cheshire on all the census. they had quite a few sons , one of whom is isaac kay c1835 my gt gt grandad.
i live in herts and so its not possible for me to get up to cheshire so is there any other way i would be able to find these records? i am under the impression that i would have to visit churches and as i have no idea of the churches involved im kinda stumped!
any pointers would be most appreciated!
03-10-2006, 9:03 PM
For a start you do have an idea when they married because you know from the census how old the children were so you can easily work out roughly when they married.
There's a Cheshire marriage index covering 1801-1837. The Society of Genealogists have a copy if you want to pay them a visit (much closer than Cheshire). Alternatively, I assume that someone sells it. They also have a fuller index which can also be bought on CD from Cheshire FHS
For the baptism, the first question to ask yourself is "what parish"?
Look up Poulton cum Seacombe in GenUKI and you'll find that it was a township in Wallasey parish. The SoG have some data covering the period you're interested in.
You may find the SoG a handy place to visit for this and all the other data you no doubt need.
Alternatively for filmed copies of parish registers, try the mormons- you cn order a film and view it at a convenient mormon Family History Centre.
By the way, churches are just about the last place to look for parish registers! Most registers of that vintage have been deposited at the appropriate County Record Office.
03-10-2006, 9:12 PM
thanx for that peter, at least now i know what direction to head in!
i will research at my local library and find where my nearest place is.
03-10-2006, 11:52 PM
The church is probably St Hilary's, the parish church of Wallasey. My local library (Wallasey Central) has the records on film; a book of transcriptions of the records from when they began in the 16thC to 1812; memorial inscriptions; censuses, electoral registers, trade directories, etc, etc. As the library is shut on Wednesdays, it might be worth taking a few steps back & checking that you have the correct people first. Do you have the family in all the censuses to 1841? All the relevant birth & marriage certificates for your direct line back to 1837 when civil registration started? Have you found the marriages & baptisms on the IGI? (It only has partial coverage for St Hilary's).
Let me know what you have, so I don't go over ground you have already covered.
It's a nice, 10mins walk to the library, but I probably won't be able to go until Saturday.
04-10-2006, 8:06 PM
thank you wirrel thats very nice of you.
so far i have traced the family on all the available census'. i have also obtained marriage cert for isaac (son) that states that ive got the correct john kay. his occupation was fisherman/canalman and that ties in with all the census' too.
i have traced back from present day using certs of all types so im definately looking for the right person1
would be lovely if you could find some info but dont worry if its too much time.
i appreciate it though it would help a lot.If it helps find john and marys marriage i can tell you their children. john c1827, thomas c1829, william c1832, isaac c1835, elizabeth c1838, mary c1847, james c1849.
i know john kay c1804 married mary c1809 but dont know her maiden name sorry.
tc and ty
07-10-2006, 9:02 PM
Managed to go to both Wallasey & Birkenhead libraries today, but I'm afraid not much luck. From the IGI I found 2 baptisms, so I checked those out.
St Hilary, Wallasey, 17 November 1831, baptism of William, son of John & Mary Kaye, Seacombe, Boatman
St Mary, Birkenhead, 5 July 1829, baptism of Thomas, son of John & Mary Kay, Birkenhead, Sailor.
I couldn't find any of the other children (or John snr) baptised at either St Hilary's, Wallasey; St Mary's, Birkenhead; St Oswald's, Bidston; or Holy Cross, Woddchurch. These are the 4 Ancient Parish Churches of the area.
I think the family are probably baptised & married in Liverpool. Although it is in another county (Lancashire), at that time it was easier to hop on the ferry over the River Mersey, than it was to travel around the Wirral (much of which was marshland then).
07-10-2006, 9:16 PM
I suggest you get the birth certificate of one of the younger children who was born after civil registration started. There is an Elizabeth Kaye, born in Wallasey in 1838 according to records at Wallasey library. GRO reference; Elizabeth Kaye, born September quarter 1838, Wirral Registration District, volume 19 page 310.
I think she is probable Elizabeth Kaye, born 19 August 1838, christened 26 May 1840, St Peter, Liverpool [the Parish Church of Liverpool] - from the IGI. If the mother on the certificate does not turn out to be either of those Marys who married John Kay/Key on the IGI, then I'd take a guess that they were married at St Nicholas in Liverpool. It is right by the river, in the centre of Liverpool, also known as the Sailors' Church. (The IGI coverage for Liverpool is not complete).
08-10-2006, 12:58 AM
thanx for that wirrell. think i may join the SoG and visit their place in london. i was told they hold most records there?
thanx for looking
08-10-2006, 1:03 AM
I do not know what records the SoG has. I think they have mainly transcriptions, rather than copies of the original records on film, but I could be wrong. Have a look at their website, sorry, I don't know that either. :)
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