Can anyone help with 1841 Census?

[busyglen]

This is a last desperate attempt to find my gt.gt. grandfather and one that I feel that will never be resolved.

Could some kind person who has access to the 1841 Bucks. please look to see if they can find John JARVIS who would be about 18 (although with this Census it could vary as we know) and possibly living in Dunton his place of birth. He was in the Army in 1842 when he married in Buckingham, so he may have been in the Army in 1841, and not showing. I have no idea what regiment.

John JARVIS was born 1823 in Dunton, to (mother unknown) and father John GREEN (shown on marriage cert.) I have found details of an application for a John JARVIS at Winslow Workhouse in 1835, who was shown as living in Dunton aged 11. He was shown as illegitimate and `no allowance'. I have searched the Removals, Bastardy Bonds etc. and found nothing. I have also searched Dunton PR's for a possible christening, with no luck.

In 1851 he had left the Army and was a policeman in London, and I even searched the Metropolitan Bucks. Strays in case I could find his parents mentioned, but no luck. I have details of him coming forward from that time.

I was hoping that he would be on this Census either living with his mother, or even his father, and that would give me some more clues....but I really think that I am clutching at straws! I don't think I shall ever know who his parents really were. :(

Glenys

[Davran]

Hi Glenys

I've had a quick look on Ancestry, but there don't appear to be many John Jarvises b in Bucks (could be mistranscribed, but I tried alternatives).

I looked at Dunton - it's a tiny place with only 3 census pages. There are no Jarvises there in 1841, but 2 Green households:

Elizabeth GREEN 40

Richard GREEN 47
Mary 52
Thomas 22
James 21
Mary 72

Sorry not to be able to help more :(

[Mutley]

I looked on 1837online
They have over a hundred, but as it is 1841 lots are born out of county.
I did spot
John Jarvis, born out of county, living at Regent's Park Barracks, St. Pancras, Middx. He was age 25
HO107/0684/19 Folio/3 Page/3 Line/9
Couldn't see a regiment just said Army.

[busyglen]

Many thanks for looking Davran.

I don't think either are mine, but at least I know that neither John Jarvis or John Green were in Dunton at the time of the Census. Not that this is the news I wanted, but actually what I expected! :(

Glenys

[busyglen]

Thanks a lot for this Mutley.....the age is wrong, but could be a possibility as a lot of the ages were wrong on the 1841 due to the rounding up and down. I think some people forgot to change the formula when working from children to grown ups!!

It's something for me to look at though, so thanks. :)

Glenys

[Davran]

There is another Pte John Jarvis age 25 in Winchester Barracks. Also a George Jarvis age 20. HO107/409/12/3/2

[get2BJ]

Hi Glenys,

Excuse me if I've missed something, but how does John Jarvis come to have a father named John Green? Could that be a mistake on the marriage certificate?

|idea| That said, and you've probably covered this ground already, there is a John Jarvis christening on the IGI indexed as taking place on 2 May 1823 at Newport Pagnell, Bucks. Parents are shown as James Jarvis and Sarah. Newport Pagnell is about 12 miles from Dunton.

Sarah and James Jarvis then appear on the 1841 census for Newport Pagnell along with 5 other children (Marsh End), James having presumably already left home now aged about 18yrs.

What do you think?

Best wishes

Brenda

[get2BJ]

Sorry, I should have posted the complete census entry:

All at Marsh End and all born in county:
James Jarvis, 45, Ag lab
Sarah Jarvis, 40
Thomas, 13
Mary, 10
Cornelius, 8
Henry, 6
Elizabeth, 2
HO107/58 Folio 6 Page 7

Brenda

[busyglen]

Hi Brenda,

I probably didn't make myself clear...sorry! I did say at the beginning of the thread that John was found shown as illegitimate on a document from Winslow Workhouse. I've put the details on several threads on the forum, and forget to put everything on each time, so humble apologies.

John Jarvis married Emma Robbins in 1842 and John gave his father's name as John GREEN. This led me to believe that he was born illegitimate. He was shown as born in Dunton, Bucks. on the 1851 Census when he was in London, which then sent me on the trail of looking for him in Dunton. He wasn't on the Dunton PRs, so I then tried the Bastardy Bonds etc. and came across an entry in Winslow Workhouse, which showed John Jarvis, aged 11 (right age) and illegitimate. So I am still working on the basis that this is he and that this is correct. I had hoped to find his mother in the Workhouse, but she wasn't in 1841.

So, thank you for taking the trouble to look for me, but I'm afraid these don't belong to him.

By the way, I did wonder if the name had been a mistake on the marriage cert. but Mythology looked the entry up for me in case the minister had copied the entry above or below, but it definately said GREEN for the father.

Again, many thanks, really appreciate your time in looking. :)

Glenys

[busyglen]

Oh dear.....we've crossed posted, sorry!

Glenys

[busyglen]

There is another Pte John Jarvis age 25 in Winchester Barracks. Also a George Jarvis age 20. HO107/409/12/3/2

Thanks Davran, will hold onto this as a possible.

Glenys

[busyglen]

Mutley, you have reminded me that I still have a few units left on 1837online. I haven't used them for a while, so forgot that they have part of the 1841 Census. Not Bucks. though...there are still a few counties missing as yet.

Thanks.

Glenys

[busyglen]

Hi Glenys

I've had a quick look on Ancestry, but there don't appear to be many John Jarvises b in Bucks (could be mistranscribed, but I tried alternatives).

I looked at Dunton - it's a tiny place with only 3 census pages. There are no Jarvises there in 1841, but 2 Green households:

Elizabeth GREEN 40

Richard GREEN 47
Mary 52
Thomas 22
James 21
Mary 72


Sorry not to be able to help more :(

Davran, following on from you looking at Dunton and finding Green's....there were several on the Dunton PR's but none in the right time scale for christenings. However, you set me thinking further and on the Winslow Workhouse Records, where I found John Jarvis, I decided to do a search for John GREEN.....there is an entry for a John Green aged 33, Date Oct. 1845, Abode: Winslow. It showed Fever - 4s 6d & bread. Now, I wonder if this could be John the father? Would it be possible to look at the Winslow Workhouse for 1841 to see if he was there in 1841?

Forget that...I'm being stupid, he would only have been 12 when John Jarvis was born! Back to the drawing board!

Glenys