Oliver Cracknell - alias Jonathan?

[PamG]

I found my gt grandmother Almina Cracknell (b. 1846, The Strand, Middlesex,) in the 1861 Census, living in St. Bartholemew the Great, West London. With her is her father Jonathan Cracknell, 45, b. Suffolk, Tailor employing 1 man 1 boy; and her mother, Eliza, 43, b. Norfolk.

I just recently came across an entry in the 1851 Census that has brought me up short. Again, listed is Almina Cracknell , 4, b. Soho Sq., Middlesex; also Eliza, 30, b. Harleston, Norfolk; and a visitor Almina Delavante (or Delavanta), 20, b. Spain. However, the other member of the household is Oliver J. Cracknell, 36, Tailor employing 1 man; b. Madrid, Spain. This is in the parish St. Katherine Colman, Middlesex.

I’m trying to determine if Oliver J. and Jonathan are one and the same. Almina’s father is listed as Jonathan on her marriage certificate, and I also have a death certificate under that name. He died in 1865 and Eliza died the following year, so there are no subsequent censuses to search. I have checked the birth records, quarter by quarter for another Almina Cracknell, and there is only one listed – my grandmother. The kicker is that my mother always maintained that there was a Spanish ancestor in the family, but I’ve never been able to find one. I would really appreciate any guidance or opinions on what I need to do in order to find out if Jonathan and Oliver are one and the same persons. I seem to be going round in circles!

Ragards,

Pam

[marymog]

There is a marriage for Jonathan Cracknell, there is no marriage for Oliver and only one for Jonathan so maybe you will be wiser if you get the marriage lines

Marriages Mar 1842
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Cracknell Jonathan Strand 1 282

Davy Eliza Strand 1 282




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[marymog]

It looks to me like the right Eliza (1841 census)

Name: Eliza Davy
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Household: View other family members
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Redenhall with Harleston
Hundred: Earsham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Source information: HO107/758/27
Registration district: Depwade
Sub-registration district: Harleston
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Folio: 19
Page: 30 (click to see others on page)
Line number: 3
GSU Number: 438852

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[PamG]

Mary,

Thank you for looking these up for me. I do already have the marriage certificate, as I mentioned, but there is only the father's first name and occupation, which I don't think can help. The fact there is no marriage record for Oliver is promising. I thought about trying to find Oliver's Spanish birth record, but I think that's a long shot. Perhaps trying to find Jonathan's in Suffolk might be a little easier.

I think you may have found the correct census record for Eliza, but again, I'm not sure that helps with the current problem. Or am I overlooking something? In fact I think my main problem right now is that I'm not sure what I should be looking for that could prove (or not prove) that Oliver J. and Jonathan were the same persons!

I do appreciate your taking the time to look these up for me, and thanks again.

Regards,

Pam

[marymog]

Hi Pam,

I was talking about the marriage lines of Jonathan and Eliza, it may show you that Jonathans middle name was Oliver.

Cracknell is a British name, but maybe his mother was Spanish, and therefore he could have been born in Spain.
He had a Spanish visitor,(both from Madrid) she could have been a cousin, or half sister. her name was the same as Alminas, so that should mean something, giving your daughter a spanish name, maybe his mothers name??

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[PamG]

Hi Mary,

I'm sorry, I think I'm not understanding what you mean by 'marriage lines'. Do you mean finding other marriages in the family? By looking into Suffolk parish registers? There must be a reason why he gave Suffolk as his place of birth in the 1861 Census.

regards,

Pam

[marymog]

Hi Pam,

yes I think we are not understanding each other.
I meant the marriage certificate

march 1842
Cracknell Jonathan Strand 1 282

Davy Eliza Strand 1 282

There is a birth for a Jonathan Cracknell in Suffolk but its 1825 (wrong age)

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[PamG]

Hi Mary,

Yes, I do have the marriage certificate. They were married 24 Jan 1842 at St. Clement Danes. Unfortunately there is no middle name listed for Jonathan. Jonathan's father is listed as Charles Cracknell, occupation tailor. Perhaps this is where I need to start - by looking for Charles Cracknell in Suffolk.

That gives me a direction to go in. I think I will also try the Spanish embassy for births in Spain, but that's a long shot.

Thanks for your help, Mary!

regards,

Pam