Henley/Hendley

[Pat.y]

Hi, I've hit a brick wall with my 4 x grandfather in Brinklow, Warwickshire. He was a boat builder who married in Banbury in 1812 and came back to live in Birmingham for a short time until settiling in Brinklow. No-one knows where he came from. His wife Sarah Neale came from Middleton Cheney, Oxf/northants.

[Procat]

Hi, I've hit a brick wall with my 4 x grandfather in Brinklow, Warwickshire. He was a boat builder who married in Banbury in 1812 and came back to live in Birmingham for a short time until settiling in Brinklow. No-one knows where he came from. His wife Sarah Neale came from Middleton Cheney, Oxf/northants.

Hi Pat.y,

Do you have more information on him? full name, approx date of birth etc?

Regards,

[janbooth]

Hello Pat,

This looks like Sarah in the 1851 census at Brinklow:

Sarah HENLEY Head M 69 F Domestic Employment Middelton-OXF
William COLLEDGE GSon - 13 M Agr Lab Benchlow-WAR

Address: Brinklow
Census Place: Brinklow Rugby, Warwickshire
PRO Reference: HO/107/2069 Folio: 20 Page: 12 FHL Film: 0087333

And also a son maybe, judging by his profession:

Benjamin HENLEY Head M 36 M Boat Builder Birmingham-WAR
Hannah HENLEY Wife - 32 F Birmingham-WAR
Henry HENLEY Son U 13 M Scholar Brinklow-WAR
Sarah HENLEY Daur - 12 F Scholar Brinklow-WAR
Benjamin HENLEY Son - 8 M Scholar Brinklow-WAR
Hannah HENLEY Daur - 10 F Scholar Brinklow-WAR
Emma HENLEY Daur - 1 F Brinklow-WAR

Address: Brinklow
Census Place: Brinklow Rugby, Warwickshire
PRO Reference: HO/107/2069 Folio: 19 Page: 11 FHL Film: 0087333

If you post your 4g grandfather's full name, I can search for him on the 1851, especially as Sarah is not described as a widow - although it could just be the Enumerator's mistake.

Janet Booth.

[Pat.y]

Sorry forgot all the info! His name is William Henley no date of birth known. No
place of birth known.But it is the correct family that you have found. Thank you for all your help.

[janbooth]

Sorry Pat, Can't find William in the 1851 transcript.

Janet.

[Geoffers]

Hi, I've hit a brick wall with my 4 x grandfather in Brinklow, Warwickshire. He was a boat builder who married in Banbury in 1812 and came back to live in Birmingham for a short time until settiling in Brinklow. No-one knows where he came from. His wife Sarah Neale came from Middleton Cheney, Oxf/northants.
Just some passing thoughts.......

A boat builder was a fairly skilled craft. He may well have been apprenticed.

Between 1710 and 1811, apprenticeship indentures were subject to tax. The duty was paid by the master and the deadline for payment was 1 year after the indenture was completed. Tax was not payable on apprentices taken on at public expense or out of any public charity, so quite a few will not be included.

Names of parents are not often included after 1752 - but the records should include the name of the name of the apprentice, the name and address of the master and dates of indenture.

If you can find an entry for your chap, you have the name and address of the master - the apprentice is likely to have lived fairly locally and so you may be able to trace that way - at least it may narrow down the area to search.

The records of the taxation are held in The National Archives (TNA) at Kew in class IR1.

Also at TNA, in class IR23 are the records of the Land Tax Redemption Office Assessments 1798-9. These survey records include tenants and owners and although not indexed are very easy to use and to check areas quite quickly - they don't include a large amount of detail but are useful for checking the spread of a surname and whether there were a cluster of the names occurring in one area (granted not much use for names such as Smith, Jones, Wright, etc) - maybe worth considering checking them for North Oxfordshire and pats or Warwickshire?

The records of the taxation are held in The National Archives (TNA) at Kew in class IR1.

Have you checked both the marriage and banns registers? - Just occasionally there is a note in one or the other to say where he came from rather than recording 'of this parish'.

Are there any surviving examinations or removal orders in Banbury which give a clue as to where he originated?

Good luck

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[Pat.y]

Many thanks for that Geoffers. I would not have had a clue about the apprenticeships. It may take me a while but at least I have another avenue to go down!

[Geoffers]

Hello again
Trying to rack my brains (as my wife says "that shouldn't take long" :) ) to think of anything else you could try......

I searched the 1851 census for Warwickshire looking for any Hen(d)ley entries (I also tried Healey in case the entry had been misread). The eldest male born in Warwickshire was only 43. This is odd, if the family had lived in Warwickshire for a long time, I would expect to find at least a couple dating back to the 18th century. There are also no Hen(d)ley entries shown for people born in Oxfordshire/Northampstonshire and living in Warwickshire.

On the other hand, there are a few HIN(D)LEY entries, including an entry for a James HINLEY, beer retailer born 1784, in Birmingham.

There are also a very few Hen(d)leys born in Worcestershire and living in Warwickshire and I just wonder if they may possibly be related? There's a couple of children born in Shipston-on-Stour (parents may be shown as Hindley on this census), a woman (no marital status) born Broadway and living in Blockley. Then there are adult males born Pershore and Worcester.

I can send you details of any of the above if they are of interest.

It's a long shot - you may be at the stage where that seems a viable option! - but you might consider looking at trade directories (Pigot's 1830 would seem the best bet) for Worcestershire to see if there are any boatbuilding Hen(d)ley families in any of the towns on large rivers (e.g. Worcester, Stratford, Evesham, Pershore). Then also try the IGI for Worcs on the off-chance there is something worth following up in the same county.

If you've been there, done it, tried it then please forgive the intrusion and forget my ramblings.

Geoffers

[Pat.y]

Thanks Geoffers. My personal inclination is think he came from the Black Country or Birmingham. Hendleys born around the right time here. But my overriding reasons are that after marrying in Banbury in 1812 they came back to live in central Birmingham by the canal where the first child was born in 1813. They went to settle in Brinklow. I can think of no other reason why he should come straight back to Birmingham unless he had work here! Also 3 of his children then moved on to Wolverhampton and area after marriage.

[shell]

I have found in researching people in Worcestershire and Warwickshire around this time that Birmingham was a magnet. There was lots happening with lots of work there and people moved in from far and wide. Some eventually moved back out again but not always to where they originally came from I have found! I would suggest that it might be dangerous to assume that he originally came from Birmingham. He might have done but prior to the industrial revolution the parts of Worcs Warks Staffs etc that are now Birmingham were not all that heavily populated.

I have the same problem with my husbands Taylor family. I know that Samuel Taylor was born in around 1770, which parts of Birmingham he moved to and his eventual settling in Aston Cantlow, but where he originally came from I can't fathom. He was a farmer but the growth in Birmingham increased demand for produce. My husband's aunt thinks that the family farms were built up by selling potatoes in Birmingham market. She may be right as Samuel's son John, my husbands gg grandfather married in St Martins Birmingham ( now by the Bullring) near to the markets before settling back in Aston Cantlow. I have the parish records for Aston Cantlow and the family did not originate there.

In my own family my g grandmother ( Elizabeth Seeney) came from Middleton Cheney and married Thomas Bonham from Oxford. When registration came in in 1837 Middleton Cheney was in the Banbury registration district even though it was in a different county.

[David Hinley]

Hello:

I have an extensive family tree of some of the Birmingham Hinleys, dating back to one Daniel Hinley, born in 1757 and married to Mary Nash, born 1761.

These and the rest in the tree are my direct ancestors. The tree was started by my great grandfather (a well-known photographer in the Wisbech area from 1880 to about 1880) and added to by my late father then brought up to date by myself. It is fairly comprehensive: listing most dates for births, marriages and deaths together with the places these events occured.

If this tree could be of use, please let me know. I have it available only in PDF format as it was prepared by me with InDesign, page layout software.

I don't think PDF files are approved attachments, so please contact me by e-mail so I can send the file to you. It is quite small, just 151K.

I would be most grateful to hear from any of you should any further information be available concerning the Hinley family.

David Hinley
Tasmania, Australia