henry josiah barnard/ coltishall

[perseus]

Hi

I'm trying to locate Henry Josiah
He was born in 1843 in coltishall
parents William Barnard & Ann Sexton
siblings
William Sexton b 1829
James b 1833
Robert b 1835
then Henry James.
i think i have him on the 1861 census in Pockthorpe Barracks Norwich.
I have a Henry Barnard on the 1871 census sergeant in the 10th Hussars in Surrey. Is there a link?
Then I can't find him on 1881
on 1891 I have a Henry in Muswell hill, army pensioner. Then no further sign.

either these are 2 different Henrys or he had 2 wives.
in 1871 he was married to Susan b Barnet c 1846
in 1891 his wife's name was Harriet b Highgate, b 1852

Sad to say I know nothing of military matters, though I did have a look at the 10th Hussars on the net.
Is there anywhere that I might get army records, or is it too far back?

Fingers crossed !!!!

maggie

[perseus]

I managed to get Service documents for Henry, and I'm delighted .
I am still looking for a death for him though. He spent 20 odd years in the army and was discharged in Shorecliffe.

Any ideas?
He married a Jane Pidgeon in 1870, and I don't know what happened to her. Henry spent the middle years of his service abroad.

Maggie

[Geoffers]

First off, my apologies for missing your first posting, it came in when my e-mail had been knocked out by a lightning storm.

Your chap had a few other siblings of whom you may not be aware.

From Coltishall Parish Register, the following entries all relate to children of William, a labourer and Ann:

Entry 310, Thomas BARNARD, bapt 16 Oct 1825 (Burial no. 421 dated 26 Jun 1839)
Entry 348 Robt BARNARD, bapt 18 Jan 1827 (Burial No. 192 dated 2 May 1827)
Entry 386 Willm Sexton BARNARD, bapt 11 May 1828

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further baptisms from Coltishall

Entry 421 John BARNARD, bapt 4 Oct 1829 (Burial Entry 392, dated 15 Jun 1829)
Entry 466 Robert BARNARD, bapt 3 Apr 1831 (Burial Entry 258, dated 17 Jun 1831)
Entry 515 James BARNARD, bapt 30 Sep 1832
Entry 618 Robert BARNARD, bapt 20 May 1835
Entry 682 Elizabeth Isabella, bapt 5 Mar 1837 (Burial Entry 387, dated 6 Apr 1837)
Entry 75 Henry Josiah BARNARD, bapt 24 Dec 1843

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Also from Coltishall Parish Register

William BARNARD married Ann SEXTON at Coltishall, 6 Dec 1824 after banns
wit Joseph SEXTON, Maria CARR

Census returns show William BARNARD and Ann SEXTON were born c.1800, William in Mileham, Ann in Coltishall

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The family seem to have lived at Hobbies (Great Hautbois) just north of Coltishall, but in the same parish.

William was buried at Coltishall 22 Jul 1867 (entry no. 127), aged 67 and of Great Hautbois
Ann was buried at Coltishall 14 May 1881 (entry no. 346), aged 81

As to finding out when Henry Josiah died - if he was in the army, his pension record should show when payment was stopped.

Photo of Coltishall Church, if you haven't been there
http://www.genealogy.doun.org/transcriptions/documents.php?district_id=1&document_id=11135

Geoffers

[perseus]

Hi Geoffers

Many thanks for all your info re Henry. Where can I find out about Henry's pension payments. I have his date of discharge, but nothing after that.

Really appreciate your help.

Maggie

[Geoffers]

As with so many things, the place to look is The National Archives (TNA) at Kew. Have a look at their research guides, in particular

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=15

Owt else I can assist with regarding Coltishall/Horstead/Buxton/Lamas?
Geoffers

[perseus]

Ho geoffers

Thanks again for the info. And thanks for the offer of look ups for the Coltishall area.... I shall be in touch with some queries...need to sort them out first.

Really appreciate your help

Maggie

[perseus]

hi geoffers

Taking you up on your offer of 'look-ups'!

A couple of things you could perhaps look up for me.
Any info on Ann Sexton's family would be great.
And also James Barnard. He married Harriet Allard and I'd like to know something about his family.

Cheers

Maggie

[Geoffers]

Anne Sexton was baptised 1799 at Coltishall.

The ATs for this period are in poor condition, I recommend that you look up full details in the parish register. Basically:

Anne daughter of (Robert?) and Elizabeth SEXTON. She appears to be one of 6 children. Mary b1794, Elizabeth b1795, Joseph b1798, Robert also b1798, Anne b1799, William b1803. The mother's maiden name is clear in a couple fo these entries, and is shown as WOODS.

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This leads to a marriage at Coltishall
27th May 1793 after banns
Robert SEXTON, sm, of Crostwick,
Elizabeth WOODS, sw, otp
wit: (Robt?) SHEARMAN, Richard CHALDERS
(Richard Chalders was a churchwadren and witnesses loads of mariages).

Robert SEXTON bur 5th April 1844 aged 81, at Coltishall
Elizabeth SEXTON bur 26th May 1847 aged 83, at Coltishall

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I don't have the registers for Crostwick. The SEXTON family look to have moved to Coltishall in the late 1780's, another chap John SEXTON also appears in the parish.

William BARNARD and Ann SEXTON witnesses the marriage of Thomas CLAYTON and Anne SPOONER at Coltishall on 26th Apr 1819.

What sort of information are you after for James BARNARD? Have you found him in any census returns? Do you have his marriage certificate?

Geoffers

[perseus]

Hi Geoffers
Thanks once again for your help, and the extra info.
I don't have a marriage certificate for James but believe he married Harriet Allard. I believe they were married in Tunstead in 1856. He seems to have stayed in Coltishall and raised his family. I'm looking for anything to do with his family. James & Harriet were alive in the 1901 census.

[Geoffers]

I don't have a marriage certificate for James but believe he married Harriet Allard. I believe they were married in Tunstead in 1856. He seems to have stayed in Coltishall and raised his family. I'm looking for anything to do with his family.
The couple married in Tunstead district, but not Tunstead itself. The banns were read at Neatishead.

Neatishead Banns register, page 72, entry 143
James BARNARD, sm, of Belaugh
Harriet ALLARD, sw, otp
banns read on 13th, 20th and 27th April 1856

I don't have a copy of the Neatishead Marriage Register for 1856, but suspect that they married there. The certificate will confirm the location.

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The couple had several children, as you can see 1869 was a bad year......

Henry James, bapt 31 Dec 1856 at Neatishead, entry 35
buried 2 Jun 1869, entry 156
Robert Paul, bapt 10 Jun 1860 at Neatishead, entry 89
buried 10 Jun 1869, entry 157
Ann Elizabeth, bapt 7 Sep 1862 at Neatishead, entry 123
William, bapt 6 Oct 1867 at Coltishall, entry 674
Thomas bapt 6 Oct 1867 at Coltishall, entry 675
buried 17 Jun 1869, entry 158
Emily Jane, bapt 24 Nov 1868 at Coltishall, entry 693
buried 21 Jun 1869, entry 160
John bapt 10 Mar 1870 at Coltishall, entry 736

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The Neatishead entries show James to be a husbandman, the Coltishall entries record him as a labourer. In each case the parents are James and Harriet

The 1861 census shows James and Harriet living in Coltishall with their two sons, Henry, bn Neatishead and Robert bn Coltishall. The couple obviously retained Harriet's links with her family in Neatishead to have their first three children baptised in her home parish.

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Ann Elizabeth BARNARD (the surviving daughter) married at Coltishall:

Entry 320, Coltishall Marriage Register
23 Dec 1890, after banns
Robert Christmas KERRISON, full age, otp, wherryman, s of Robert, wherryman
Ann Elizabeth BARNARD, full age, otp, d of James, labourer
wit: John BARNARD, Charity Gertrude KERRISON

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Going back to Harriet ALLARD, she was baptised at Neatishead:

Neatishead Baptism Register
Entry 28
13 Mar 1814
Harriet ALLARD, daughter of John and Margaret, otp, father a husbandman

John and Margaret had a large family, the pre-1813 entries record the mother's maiden name as BIRD.

At Beeston St.Lawrence they had Ann bapt 1800, Paul bapt 1801, Robert bapt 1803.
At Neatishead they had James bapt 1805, Frances bapt 1806, Maria bapt 1809, Jane bapt 1810, Robert abpt 1812, Harriet (above) and Martin bapt 1816.

John ALLARD (widower) married Margaret BIRD at Beeston St.Lawrence in 1799.

Geoffers

[perseus]

hi Geoffers
What a star you are.
I shall puruse the information. As you say what a bad year 1869 was., There must have been an epidemic. Any idea what it might have been.

Thanks again. I'll see if i can find other details to be looked up !!??!!!!
Maggie

[Geoffers]

As you say what a bad year 1869 was., There must have been an epidemic. Any idea what it might have been.
I don't know what the illness was. There weren't a particularly large number of burials in 1869 in Coltishall, what is unusual though is that between the end of May and beginning of August, all the burials were of children - nine in all. So, something to which juveniles were susceptible seems likely. Whatever the illness, it was very local as there is not the same incidence of childhood burials across the Bure in Horstead, or to the north in Buxton.

The only signs of something similar, nearby are to the east in Tunstead where there were 3 infant burials in the middle of 1869 (out of a total of 11, slightly up on normal) and at Wroxham, downstream which suffered 5 juvenile burials in 1869 (out of a total of 10 in the parish, again slightly up on normal). The effect is not visible further afield at Smallburgh, Neatishead or Salhouse.

Geoffers

[Geoffers]

As you say what a bad year 1869 was., There must have been an epidemic. Any idea what it might have been.
I don't know what the illness was. There weren't a particularly large number of burials in 1869 in Coltishall, what is unusual though is that between the end of May and beginning of August, all the burials were of children - nine in all. So, something to which juveniles were susceptible seems likely. Whatever the illness, it was very local as there is not the same incidence of childhood burials across the Bure in Horstead, or to the north in Buxton.

The only signs of something similar, nearby are to the east in Tunstead where there were 3 infant burials in the middle of 1869 (out of a total of 11, slightly up on normal) and at Wroxham, downstream which suffered 5 juvenile burials in 1869 (out of a total of 10 in the parish, again slightly up on normal). The effect is not visible further afield at Smallburgh, Neatishead or Salhouse.

Geoffers

[perseus]

Hi Geoffers

I guess the only way of finding out what the children died of would be to get death certificates....Will have to think about that!

Can you recheck Harriet Allard's birth. You found records for a birth in 1814 . She married 1856 and her children ( I think I found a couple more, were born into the late 60s if not the 70s)

Thanks again

Maggie

[Geoffers]

Ah yes, looking at the 1861 census, she was born around 1835-ish, which would make this entry the correct one:

Neatishead Baptism Register
Entry 440
27th April 1834. Harriet ALLARD d of Paul + Mary Anne, otp, father a husbandman

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This leads to

Neatishead Marriage Register
Entry 97, page 33
18 Jul 1834 after banns
Paul ALLARD, sm, otp, X
Mary Ann DAWSON, sw, otp, sig
wit: James DAWSON, sig. (.....?) ALLARD, sig, John COOK, sig

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and lastly

1851 Census, HO107/1808 f158 p5
Neatishead
Paul ALLARD, hd, mar,49, ag.lab, bn Beeston St Lawrence
Mary Ann ALLARD, wf, mar,46, bn Neatishead
Jane ALLARD, dau, 14, bn Neatishead
Paul ALLARD, son, 12, ag.lab, bn Neatishead
Louisa ALLARD, dau, 10, bn Neatishead
Robert ALLARD, son, 6, ag.lab, bn Neatishead

from there we come back to Beeston St.Lawrence where in 1801
Paul ALLARD son of John + Margaret (late BIRD) was baptised

Neatishead Parish Register
Mary Ann daughter of William + Sarah DAWSON (late STEWARD) was baptised 8 Aug 1802

Geoffers

[perseus]

Thanks again Geoffers. I'll be putting all this in my family history notes

Maggie

[Geoffers]

Do note that these are just my interpretations, I may be wrong! You will need to double-check the information for yourself to confirm it is correct.

Geoffers

[perseus]

Hi Geoffers
Realise I have to have confirmation of your info....it mostly links in with mine, but I will check it out. Sometimes though we have to go on a wing and a prayer!!!
Maggie

[Chris Haines]

hi geoffers

Taking you up on your offer of 'look-ups'!

A couple of things you could perhaps look up for me.
Any info on Ann Sexton's family would be great.
And also James Barnard. He married Harriet Allard and I'd like to know something about his family.

Cheers

Maggie

Hi Maggie

In case you're still interested in James BARNARD and Harriet ALLARD, in spite of the time that has passed since your query.

I'm the guy who did the Coltishall transcriptions for Geoffers' valuable databases (the indexes to these are still searchable at BTW). I have a very distant linkage (via marriages and in-laws) to the James BARNARD & Harriet née ALLARD family. They stick in my mind because of one of the more chilling sets of data in the Coltishall PRs - in just three weeks in June 1869, they buried four of their (then) six young children. I've not looked at their death certs, but I assume they must have all been hit by an infectious/contagious disease. Looking at the Coltishall burial registers, this doesn't seem to have been a parish-wide epidemic (1869 deaths were about average numbers), though. If you are still interested in this family, I have a bit more information on James & Harriet and the surviving & subsequent children.

Chris

[Chris Haines]

Hi Maggie

In case you're still interested in James BARNARD and Harriet ALLARD, in spite of the time that has passed since your query.

I'm the guy who did the Coltishall transcriptions for Geoffers' valuable databases (the indexes to these are still searchable at [/URL] BTW). I have a very distant linkage (via marriages and in-laws) to the James BARNARD & Harriet née ALLARD family. They stick in my mind because of one of the more chilling sets of data in the Coltishall PRs - in just three weeks in June 1869, they buried four of their (then) six young children. I've not looked at their death certs, but I assume they must have all been hit by an infectious/contagious disease. Looking at the Coltishall burial registers, this doesn't seem to have been a parish-wide epidemic (1869 deaths were about average numbers), though. If you are still interested in this family, I have a bit more information on James & Harriet and the surviving & subsequent children.

Chris

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Chris