parents of james woodhouse

[sarahjane]

Can someone please tell me how do i find the parents of James Woodhouse born 1802/3 in Felbrigg Norfolk. I think his parents will have been born about 1780's or maybe bit earlier.

Plus on a completely different family tree but one of you might know the answer for me i'm trying to find a great grandmother who died in childbirth about 1920 in Liverpool but no where can i find record of her death but i can find record of her husbands remarriage (they were staunch catholic so divorce out of the question). I've checked Lancs and Liverpool BMD to no avail and gone through the deaths from 1914 - 1921 on Ancestry.co.uk site and still nothing.
Any one got any ideas please would be gratefully recieved, I'm beginning to think i'm going daft

[Pam Downes]

Hi Sarahjane,
Presumably James gives Felbrigg as his place of birth on census records, so you will have to hope that that is correct and also that he was baptised in Felbrigg.
Transcribed Archdeacons Transcripts for Felbrigg baptisms are online at
http://www.norfolkhistory.co.uk/
(church records, follow links)
Archdeacons Transcripts are supposed to be a copy of the parish registers but there are usually differences so it's always best to refer to both.
Felbrigg is a small village with not many baptisms per year so if you asked nicely then Norfolk Record Office might check the PRs for you for those two years and if they find an entry send you a copy for a small fee.
http://archives.norfolk.gov.uk/nroindex.htm
If you can get to London, the Society of Genealogists have films of the PRs to 1812.
Alternatively if you have a local LDS FHC they can order in film of the PRs for you.
With a bit of luck, as well as saying 'James son of ....', the PR might also give his mother's maiden name.

With regard to the death of your great-grandmother, did the baby survive, and if so do you have a name? Look for the birth registration. That should give you the quarter (plus one either side just to make sure!) in which to look for a death.
If still no luck, then if you don't already have it I would say that sending for the marriage certificate of the husband's second marriage is a top priority just to see if it describes him as 'widower'. He could lie about his status, though I doubt he would if he married in church, so it would be interesting to see where he married.
Pam

[Pam Downes]

Another point about the missing death registration.
Is the surname one which could possibly be misspelt and therefore appear in a total different part of the GRO Index.
e.g. Jeffrey/Jeffery, Green/Greene, Wilson/Willson, Kime/Kyme, Downs/Downes(!).
Soundex searches will not necessarily bring up variations which you think are obvious, so it's always best to enter each variant separately.
Pam

[sarahjane]

thanks Pam thats brill unfortunately i can't get to London but will try the web links. As for the Great-grandmother, she died in childbirth and so did the child. Like you say i'm going to have to try and widen the surname i think Candeland is rather unusual and i already discovered several different spellings of it. I thik i've found their marriage in 1804 so it maybe i've to send for their marriage certificate which hopefully will give her christian name which might make the search easier too.
If the child was still born i presume as Catholic it would have been christened but would it have been registered?

[Pam Downes]

Hi Sarahjane,
Stillbirths are registered, but are maintained in a separate register from live births. According to the GRO web site only parents and siblings, if the parents are dead, can obtain copies of the certificates. I don't know if this applies to registrations from wayback or just more recent ones(e.g. last 50 years).
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/stillbirths/
Technically speaking if the baby lived for even just a few minutes then there should be an entry in the birth registration plus a death registration. May just be registered as 'male' or 'female' at the end of the alpha first names, or could have been registered with a given name.
Pam

[sarahjane]

Thanks Pam i've since actually found her Christian name and death no sign of the child as yet but also managed to find her parents too and confirmed they came from ireland as was suspected.
People on this site are so helpful, we went from not even knowing her christian name to finding a whole family within ten mins just cos somone found her christian name. It never ceases to amaze me this geanealogy, it facinates me.

Just one other little thing you might be able to clarify for me or someone else on here.

I've just discovered that my Father and Ian Woosnam ( the golfer) are related. But i'm confused as to whether they are 1st cousins twice removed or 2nd cousins twice removed. The connection is both their great grandfathers were brothers and therefore they share the same great great grandfather. Now i understand that 1st cousins share a + grandfather and generations show the removed by bit. Which i think makes them 1st cousins twice removed???

Can somone in the know confirm i've got it right please....its so complicated lol.
Thanks again for all the help.

[Pam Downes]

Hi Sarahjane,

http://bluett.com/peter/relationship.html

If I read them correctly the relationship between your dad and Ian is third cousin.
Pam