1851 Census Rotherhithe

[Jean Williams]

Could some kind person check Gillam Court, Rotherhithe for me? I have this address for a family on a death certificate in 1851 but cannot find this address on Ancestry.

I am looking for a family by the name of TRENCH.

Many thanks for any help.

Jean

[KenHolmes]

Hi Jean,
Have located the Trench Family in the Rotherhithe census for 1851.
Details are as follows :-

John Trench 1808 Rotherhithe
Elizabeth " 1791 Chatham
Caroline " 1822 Rotherhithe
Maria " 1825 Rotherhithe
Celia " 1836 Rotherhithe

Source HO 107 1583

No mention of the address you were referring to, but their residence is in the
District of ChristChurch.

Hope this information is of some use.

[Jean Williams]

Many thanks Ken. Actually, this is the brother of the man I am looking for.


In case you have time to have another look, these are the details in 1861:

1861 Census
4 Staples Rents, Rotherhithe
Trench James W 32 shipwright born Rotherhithe
Eady 31 born Bermondsey
Sarah A aged 12 born Bermondsey
Hannah aged 10 born Rotherhithe
J. W. aged 8 born Rotherhithe
Wm. H aged 6 born Rotherhithe
Mary A. aged 4 born Rotherhithe
Eady aged 2 born Rotherhithe
Henry aged 1 born Rotherhithe

thanks again.

Jean

[KenHolmes]

Many thanks Ken. Actually, this is the brother of the man I am looking for.


In case you have time to have another look, these are the details in 1861:

1861 Census
4 Staples Rents, Rotherhithe
Trench James W 32 shipwright born Rotherhithe
Eady 31 born Bermondsey
Sarah A aged 12 born Bermondsey
Hannah aged 10 born Rotherhithe
J. W. aged 8 born Rotherhithe
Wm. H aged 6 born Rotherhithe
Mary A. aged 4 born Rotherhithe
Eady aged 2 born Rotherhithe
Henry aged 1 born Rotherhithe

thanks again.

Jean
Just pleased to be of assistance.
Rotherhithe interests me because I was born there.

[QueSera]

Many thanks Ken. Actually, this is the brother of the man I am looking for.


In case you have time to have another look, these are the details in 1861:

1861 Census
4 Staples Rents, Rotherhithe


Staple's Rents shows in the 1872, 1894 & 1914 OS maps. It was between Union Street (Jamaica Road) and Paradise Street. There was a timber yard at the southern end in 1872 and a school in 1914. It has since been built over with Pynfolds (council flats)

Hope this is of help/interest, regards
QueSera

[QueSera]

Could some kind person check Gillam Court, Rotherhithe for me? I have this address for a family on a death certificate in 1851 but cannot find this address on Ancestry.

I am looking for a family by the name of TRENCH.

Many thanks for any help.

Jean

Have now found Gillam's Court on the 1872 OS map. It ran fom Paradise Street near Millpond Bridge to Rotherhithe Street by the Thames. The houses on the west side backed onto the Millpond, the flour mill being at the Thames end of the street. GC is showing on the 1914 OS but was later built over with the Millstream council estate between the wars.

Regards
QueSera

[Cary Christopher]

Howdy,

It appears that your ancestors had all of their children baptised on the same day, 7 January 1863, at Saint Mary Church, Rotherhithe, Southwark, Surrey:

Baptism No. 355, page 45 of church register
Born Nov 5, 1848
Sarah Ann, daughter of
James William & Eady Trench
Abode: 2 Union Ct, Church St
Profession: Shipwright

Baptism No. 356, page 45
Born Jan 13, 1852
Hannah Elizabeth, daughter of
James William & Eady Trench
Abode: 2 Union Ct, Church St
Profession: Shipwright

Baptism No. 357, page 45
Born July 1, 1854
James William, son of
James William & Eady Trench
Abode: 2 Union Ct, Church St
Profession: Shipwright

Baptism No. 358, page 45
Born Apr 14, 1853
William Henry, son of
James William & Eady Trench
Abode: 2 Union Ct, Church St
Profession: Shipwright

Baptism No. 359, page 45
Born Aug 18, 1856
Mary Anne, daughter of
James William & Eady Trench
Abode: 2 Union Ct, Church St
Profession: Shipwright

Baptism No. 360, page 45
Born Aug 2, 1858
Eady, daughter of
James William & Eady Trench
Abode: 2 Union Ct, Church St
Profession: Shipwright

You'll notice I don't have Henry Trench's birth or baptism info (or any other Trench children born before 7 Jan 1863. That's because pages 46 and 47 of the church register are missing from Ancestry.com's online database. Henry's birth & baptism would appear at the very top of page 46.

Checking all the pages for baptisms completed in 1862-1864, I was unable to locate the two missing pages. I even attempted a search for any Henry at this church and couldn't find him. So the original pages were missed entirely in microfilming (otherwise we wouldn't be able to see pages 45 and 48, both of the opposite sides of pages 46 and 47).

Hope this info helps and I will notify Ancestry of the omission.

Cary C.

[Jean Williams]

Thank you so much for this information!

I am still looking for the marriage of James and Eady as well as the marriage of James Father, William who married a Martha but the info you sent is great - thanks again.

Jean

[QueSera]

Many thanks Ken. Actually, this is the brother of the man I am looking for.


In case you have time to have another look, these are the details in 1861:

1861 Census
4 Staples Rents, Rotherhithe

Jean

Hi guys,

Not sure if you would be interested, but there is a photo of Staples Rents on the PortCities website.
Although the photo was taken c1935., these building were built much earlier, probably early/mid 1800's
(portcities.org.uk/london/server/show/conMediaFile.6452/Staples-Rents-Paradise-Street-c-1935.html)

[TaylorDA]

Hi Jean

My mums maiden name is Trench and her father, my grandad, lived in Gilliam Court in 1926 when he married my nan. In addition he had his baptisms & wedding at Christchurch, Rotherhithe and his fathers name was Henry James born around 1856.

Not sure if it is connected to your Trench line (lots of Trench's lived in this area & worked on the docks), but would love to hear more from you and what you have found out if you think they maybe connected.

Debbie

[Jean Williams]

Hello Debbie

I do not have Henry James TRENCH born 1856 in my records. Do you know who his father was?

My direct line is as follows:

James TRENCH born 1795 m Elizabeth PRICHARD
Edith TRENCH born 1830 m James William TRENCH (a cousin?)
Hannah Elizabeth TRENCH born 1852 m Thomas Henry FOREMAN

I haven't listed all the other children. If you have the name of your Henry James' father, I will check if he is descended from any of them.

Best wishes

Jean x