Hook of Swanton Abbott

[Keltria]

Hi there

This is the second time I am doing my family history - I lost all the previous information and years of work due to a break in at my home.

I have searched numerous sites - I am hitting a blank on a few things can anyone help me.

Edward Hook who was born around the 1850's Married Sophia Cory who was 5 years older than him. I cannot find anything relating to their marriage or their births.

Edward Hook's parents were John and Susanna - Susanna Who?

Edward Hook had a son Herbert John Hook - I cannot find a record of his birth nor for Florence Maud Hook nor for Mary or Alice.

I know John, Susanna, Edward and Sophia Hook are buried in the Swanton Abbott Cemetry - I even have the inscriptions on their graves. I also cannot find a birth record for Ronald Edward Hook or Gilbert John Hook who were related to them as brothers or cousins.

Tall order but can anyone point me in some direction or help me find this stuff. I am going to try and join a few of the places like NFS etc, but being out of England in South Africa makes payment really difficult when you dont have a credit card.

Thanks

Keltria

[Pam Downes]

Hi Keltria,
Welcome to the forum.
I was sorry to hear of the loss of all your work
Answering all the questions will probably take me all night (I'm a v-e-r-y- slow typist :) ) and I will split my reply into several sections because if you type a long message the text duplicates itself (bug in the system).
First of all, you may have put Durban as a general area, rather than the actual place, but can you get to
144 Silverton Road
Berea, Kwazulu Natal,
because that's where there is a LDS Family History Centre. You can now access the 1851-1901 census free via Ancestry at the FHCs, as well as ordering in films of parish registers for a small charge.
By following the census backwards you will get Sophia's parents and siblings on the 1851 census. Ditto for Edward's (though I'm saying this without actually checking further back than the 1881 for Edward).
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[Pam Downes]

part two
Not having too much info on Edward and Sophia I began by searching for them on the free online 1881.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
Son Edward is aged 3, so I looked for a marriage in Norfolk between 1872 and 1880 on FreeBMD.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Found an Edward in March quarter 1877 in Norwich registration district. If you click on the page number you find other (transcribed) people listed on the same page. No Sophia, but you can now search the GRO Index for free on Ancestry. Click on 'find yourself at Ancestry', select top box 'search the complete images'. Click marriages, enter Sophia's name, and select same quarter and year as Edward. You then have to register with your name and email address, which then allows you to see the page image. Sophia has the same reg district, volume and page numbers as Edward, so you know it's the right Edward. Normally I would suggest that you sent for the marriage certificate to find out the fathers' names and confirm you had the correct people but as Edward's and Sophia's surnames are not that common and as they are consistent in their place of birth on the census, then sending for a certificate in this case would be your choice. If you want to know exactly where and when they married apply via
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
To order online you need credit card but there is a 'ways to apply' link for other options.
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[Pam Downes]

part three
Edward junior, aged 3, 1881 census, has Swanton Abbott as his birthplace. S. Abbott is in Aylsham reg district according to http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/REG/
so firstly try FreeBMD.
There's an Edward James registered June 1878 which would fit except that the Edward on the 1881 census transcription has 'L' as his middle initial. However, I've looked at the page image and I would opt for the middle initial being a 'J'.
I found Herbert John on the 1901 census aged 14, so then searched FreeBMD for an H J born between 1885 and 1889. (I always search an extra one or two years either side in case people aren't very good at maths!)
Did the same with Florence, Alice, and Mary. Couldn't find the latter on the 1901 census, but I think you'll find out why when you search FreeBMD.
Also found Gilbert on the 1901 and FreeBMD. But no Ronald so he may have been born later in which case you just have to trawl through the quarters of the GRO Index.
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[Pam Downes]

part three hundred and thirty nine :D
A sneaky way to find out who's in which family on the 1901 census. (Not recommended for Smiths in London.)
http://www.1901censusonline.com/
Find one person who you can recognise, note civil parish in which they are living.
Then do an 'advanced search' for the surname and enter the civil parish in the keywords box.
Hover the cursor over the image box to the left of the name that you know. A status bar will appear (usually along the bottom of your screen) with a whole string of numbers and letters. Note approximately the last six of these. Hover cursor over other people in turn. Those whose numbers match are in the same family. Don't bother to take a note of the numbers as they change every time you log on to the site, so the numbers I saw today will not be the numbers I would see tomorrow if I searched again.
Although Edward's occupation is not given on the 1901, in 1881 he's a carpenter and wheelwright so it's odds on that the older men are either brothers or cousins or a bit of both.
You might get a few clues from the 1881 online transcription.

Regarding Edward senior's mother's maiden name, sending for Edward's birth certificate will solve that problem. I've looked for a marriage for a John but there's not currently one on FreeBMD which I can definitely say is his.
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[Pam Downes]

probably the last one....
I've tried to give you sites on which you can do your own research but inevitably there comes a time when you need a little more help.
If the LDS FHC address I gave is no help, then Norfolk Record Office might be able to send you census images for a small charge if you can give them the references.
http://archives.norfolk.gov.uk/nroindex.htm
Ask if there is a maximum number of (different) images they can send at a time. If you have to change currency in order to send a sterling cheque you might as well send one for 160ZAR, as one for 16ZAR.
I can tell you the census references.
Norfolk FHS http://www.norfolkfhs.org.uk/
offer members six look-ups per year but it would be best to ask them for baptism records for Edward, siblings, children, etc, because the LDS don't have Swanton Abbott PRs on film for the dates you need.
If neither the LDS FHC or Norfolk RO options are cnvenient for you, then I can transcribe the census for you. From the census details and with help from a few sites you will be able to confirm some more details.
One final site for the moment
http://uk.geocities.com/davidbooty@btinternet.com/NorfolkSurnames/Index.html
Pam Downes

[Wirral]

Hi Keltria
Must have been awful for you, losing all that info. And being burgled is horrible. Pam has given you masses of links, so I wouldn't be surprised if in the end you will be further on in your researches than you were before. I've found the details for Edward Hook & Sophia Cory's marriage: March quarter 1877, Norwich, volume 4b page 185. That will give you her father's name. Her parents are probably James & Maria.
I've found both families in the censuses from 1841 onwards.

Did you know Sophia was a twin? Births of Sophia & Samuel Cory registered June quarter, 1844 Aylsham volume 13 page 3.

[Pam Downes]

part three
Edward junior, aged 3, 1881 census, has Swanton Abbott as his birthplace.
There's an Edward James registered June 1878 which would fit except that the Edward on the 1881 census transcription has 'L' as his middle initial. However, I've looked at the page image and I would opt for the middle initial being a 'J'.
continued.....Forgot to say that I cheated and looked on the 1891 census and he's actually listed as Edward James.
I desperately tried to look only at the sources that you can search for free, but justified looking at the 1881 image by saying that you would have then asked the forum if someone could verify the middle initial. (And I'm sure they would have looked at the 1891 image too :) )
Pam Downes

[Keltria]

My Blood ran cold when I saw all the information you people have found for me - I cannot begin to say thank you - I have an appointment with the LDS church on Thursday next week and we are going to go searching for a whole lot of stuff. I am taking my daughter who is just as interested in this as I am. He comment was - at least I can tell my kids who their ancestors were.

Once again - THANK YOU !!!!

[Keltria]

My kids just came to me and said that for Mothers day - I can choose any two Ancestry site and they will pay for subscriptions for me for 3 months. Decision, decisions.

[Pam Downes]

Hi Keltria,
First of all I did forget one other no-credit-card-required site, which is FreeCEN.
http://www.freecen.org.uk/
It's the census equivalent of FreeBMD. Like FreeBMD, still very far from complete, but very useful nevertheless.
(More volunteers most welcome.)

I was a little confused by the 'any two Ancestry sites' but I presume that you mean 'genealogical' sites. With Ancestry itself you have a choice of .co.uk which has the UK census and other UK records, or .com which is mainly US stuff. You can also get a World Deluxe sub (monthly or yearly), which covers all Ancestry's databases.
If you want ideas for presents for other occasions, may I recommend a browse of
http://www.archivecdbooks.org/

Have a great time on Thursday.
Pam Downes

[Geoffers]

I've found the details for Edward Hook & Sophia Cory's marriage: March quarter 1877, Norwich, volume 4b page 185. That will give you her father's name. Her parents are probably James & Maria. Did you know Sophia was a twin? Births of Sophia & Samuel Cory registered June quarter, 1844 Aylsham volume 13 page 3.The 1851 census shows James CORY was born c.1809 in Stratton Strawless

Stratton Strawless parish register records:
19th March 1809
"James son of Samuel and Margaret CORY was bap."

When I've finished unpacking, I'll have a browse and see if I can find owt else for you.

Geoffers

[Geoffers]

From Stratton Strawless marriage register:

Samuel COURY of this parish, singleman - and -
Margaret WEG of this parish, spinster
were married by banns 26 Oct 1804
bride and groom made marks
wit: Isaac Bradford, X - Robt Spark, sig

If Sophia Cory did marry a Hook and so her ancestry leads back to this marriage, you may also then be interested in http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vivianegan/wwwgg/
if you want to trace other WEGGs. The marriage cert for Edward Hook seems to be a priority.

Geoffers

[Keltria]

Thanks for the info, i honestly appreciate anything I can get. It is not easy researching from South Africa. So if i do take a subscription to two paying sites - in your honest opinion which sites would give me the best information on my family.

My sister who is in Scotland is going to e-mail me a copy of my grandfathers birth certificate tomorrow - on there his parents are Edward Hook and Sophia (nee Cory).

I contacted the Cory family but they want me to pay for a book on their family history with Sophia Cory in it, and they also want me to give them the info of my family so they can at some stage add it to it seeing as to I am a descendant of Sophia Hook nee Cory.

As a last note - do you know of any sites that could use my help here in South Africa. As far as cemetries go. I know a lot of people from Norfolk or even England have family here in Durban South Africa who are buried in our cemetries. I live near the largest one here in Durban. I go there often and I would not mind taking pics or getting info on their loved ones graves etc. Or as a matter of fact any one of them here in Durban.

I feel it is important that we give a little back.

[Geoffers]

Thanks for the info, i honestly appreciate anything I can get. It is not easy researching from South Africa. So if i do take a subscription to two paying sites - in your honest opinion which sites would give me the best information on my family.
Others will be able to advise better here. I prefer to purchase original records on fiches from the NRO, and copies of records on CD-rom from Archive CD Books.


My sister who is in Scotland is going to e-mail me a copy of my grandfathers birth certificate tomorrow - on there his parents are Edward Hook and Sophia (nee Cory).
Excellent news, do check the names of witnesses who may possibly be relatives.

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[Geoffers]

part 2.....


I contacted the Cory family but they want me to pay for a book on their family history with Sophia Cory in itFor a hobby where people exchange information freely and willingly, asking you to fork out strikes me as unusual and not something to be recommended without knowing what is included and how well researched it is. If they are charging a fee for census returns, do make sure that they have obtained the necessary permission from The National Archives (TNA releases copyright only if the full reference is given, acknowledgement is made that they hold the original and also if no fee is charged for the information). Similar permission may be needed for other records.


and they also want me to give them the info of my family so they can at some stage add it to it seeing as to I am a descendant of Sophia Hook nee Cory.I'd suggest charging them a fee for the privilege - perhaps the same amount as the charge you for the book?? If they are going to include your information in a commercial enterprise, do make sure that you retain copyright of any information you provide.

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[Geoffers]

part 3.....

There are a couple of sticky threads at the top of the list of threads on the Norfolk forum which gie URLs of useful webs-ites for Nrofolk research. A couple that may interest you are:
http://norlink.norfolk.gov.uk/cgi-bin/viewpoint-server-web.sh
(click on 'Picture Norfolk' and search for photos of places where your family had connections)
also the Norfolk Transcription Archvie
http://www.genealogy.doun.org/transcriptions/index.php
which has an index to available PRs and ATs for Stratton Strawless - baptisms and burials only go up to 1812, marriages carry on up to 1901.
Select a parish name and you may find photos on site for that place - if you get stuck, please ask.

Geoffers

[Pam Downes]

I contacted the Cory family but they want me to pay for a book on their family history with Sophia Cory in it, and they also want me to give them the info of my family so they can at some stage add it to it seeing as to I am a descendant of Sophia Hook nee Cory.Hi Keltria,
Like Geoffers, I would be very cautious about purchasing this book. For starters, you don't know how thorough they have been in their research. Anything between 1901 and then back to the year dot that they have, you should also be able to find out too. The only advantage they might have is in knowing the present-day whereabouts of the descendants of some of Sophia and Edward's other children. And some of those you might be able to find yourself via a few message lists.
As for giving them your stuff, again I would be very cautious, especially with regard to living people.



As a last note - do you know of any sites that could use my help here in South Africa. As far as cemetries go. I know a lot of people from Norfolk or even England have family here in Durban South Africa who are buried in our cemetries. I live near the largest one here in Durban. I go there often and I would not mind taking pics or getting info on their loved ones graves etc. Or as a matter of fact any one of them here in Durban.
I feel it is important that we give a little back.Re this suggestion - how about putting a message on the 'family history general' thread of the 'Family history general' forum? Or possibly the 'Emigration from Britain' on the 'Topics' forum.
Depending on how much free time you have, how about volunteering for FreeCEN? For Norfolk the 1861 census can be worked on at home using CDs. 1891 uses fiche which can be taken to an LDS FHC.
http://www.freecen.org.uk/project.htm
Or there's FreeBMD.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Alternatively, are there any FHS in Durban/South Africa which record/transcribe records which are difficult for non-locals to access?
Pam

[rihuggett]

My first time on and I'm finding my feet. Am I intruding in a thread? Should I be here? Should I be starting a new thread, if so how??

Anyway there is a family of Corys in Aylsham, Thomas Cory is a baker with a marriage in an Aylsham church's marriage register to a Susanna Burton in 1817 - which tallies with the 1841 and 1851 censuses. They are aged 62 (Thomas) and 53 (Susanna) in the 1851 census, living in Millgate St. Susanna was widowed by the time of the 61 census and died after 1871 but before 1881, perhaps in the Sept. qtr of 1873.

Several of their children are baptised there in the 1800s, Sarah Anne - 1817, Mary Elizabeth (my ancestor) - in 1819, Elizabeth - 1824, Susanna - 1827, Maria - 1829, Lucy - 1831 and Caroline Turner Cory - 1835 (died aged 10 in 1846).

Living with them in the 1841 census is a James Cory, an Ag Lab aged 15 (though the 1841 has rounded ages, remember). I assume he is a son, but no sign on Aylsham baptism register of him unless I missed it. However on baptism again in the web site there are baptisms of children of a James and Marianne Cory and a James and Mary Cory: - Martha - 1845 (died aged 5 of scarlet fever), Thomas (the only 1 of the 3 whose mother is Marianne, not Mary) - 1847, Elizabeth - 1849 and another Elizabeth - 1850.

Is your Sophia related? Does anyone have any other info on these Corys? I would be delighted to hear. I have found Lucy married to James Banham, b. Mulbarton and Mary Elizabeth as the second wife of John Douglass, b.c.1808 Briston. Both families living in or near Norwich.

Nice to hear if related to Sophia and the Hooks, or to anyone else,

Sorry if breaching any chat conventions. Thanks, Richard

[Geoffers]

My first time on and I'm finding my feet. Am I intruding in a thread? Should I be here? Should I be starting a new thread, if so how??
Welcome to the forums. If you want to start a new thread it's a fairly simple process. Assuming it is to do with Norfolk, go to the main Norfolk forum where all the messages are listed,
i.e. http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=108
Just above the header 'Threads in forum' you'll see a small blue 'button' with the words 'New Thread' Click on that and start a new thread as you wish. Staring a new thread is a similar process for any forum.

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[Geoffers]

part 2 reply to rihuggett......


Anyway there is a family of Corys in Aylsham, Thomas Cory is a baker with a marriage in an Aylsham church's marriage register to a Susanna Burton in 1817I take it you mean, entry 51
Thomas CORY, sm, otp and Susannah BURTON, sw, otp
married after banns 13th May 1817
groom X, bride signed
wit: Mary WRIGHT, sig - Mary ROBINS, X - Mary BURTON, sig - Edwd DEY, sig
(Edwd Dey witnessed loads of marriages)

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[Geoffers]

part 3 reply to rihuggett


- which tallies with the 1841 and 1851 censuses. They are aged 62 (Thomas) and 53 (Susanna) in the 1851 census, living in Millgate St. Susanna
Although not mentioned in it, there is an excellent little book published by the ALHS entitled, "Millgate, Aylsham, Norfolk" publ. 1993 ISBN 0 9521564 0 7
The 1821 census notes, record:

Hungate Street, CORY, George - 1 house, 1 family, employed in agriculture, 1 male and 1 female

Whitehart Street, CORY, Jas - 1 house, 1 family, employed in trade, 2 males, 3 females

Millgate upon the hill, CORY, Thos - 1 house, 1 family, employed in trade, 2 males and 3 females.

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[Geoffers]

part 4 reply to rihuggett.......


was widowed by the time of the 61 census and died after 1871 but before 1881, perhaps in the Sept. qtr of 1873.
Aylsham parish register - Burials
Entry 333 - Thomas Shingles CORY, of Aylsham, bur 22nd Feb 1861, aged 71
Entry 759 - Susannah CORY, of Aylsham, bur 12th September 1873, aged 77

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[Geoffers]

part 5 reply to rihuggett.....


Living with them in the 1841 census is a James Cory, an Ag Lab aged 15 (though the 1841 has rounded ages, remember). I assume he is a son, but no sign on Aylsham baptism register of him unless I missed it.I think this will be the following entry

Aylsham parish register - Baptism
Entry 469 - 10th March 1822 - James Robert son of Thomas + Susannah CORY, father of Aylsham, occupation Baker

No trace of Thomas CORY's baptism in Aylsham, but his wife looks like she is recorded:

Aylsham parish register - Baptism
11th April 1797 - Susannah Daur of John BURTON and Elizabeth (formerly Elizth COOPER) his wife

Geoffers

[Keltria]

Hi there and welcome to the thread. No need to apologise for the intrusion... all intrusion is wlecome :)

I have Sophia Cory's parents and whatever I could find out about her on a DVD. I had to format my computer a few days ago and have not reloaded everything back on, I will do it this weekend and then I will send you everything I have on them and we can compare notes. I have printed it all out aswell just incase, and will also look at those notes to see where you might fit in.

Thanks for the response.... will do it this weekend for sure.

Keltria

[rihuggett]

Thanks Geoffers and Keltria for the full information. All very inspirational.

In 1851 and 1861 a James Cory and wife Mary A and 6 Cory children are living 2 doors away from Thomas and Susannah and their daughters in Millgate St, Aylsham, so coupled with the baptism I had missed of James Robert in March 1822 it's conclusive that he is their son. James wife has a son from a previous marriage: George Ducker in the 1861 census living with them and there is a marriage of James and Mary Ann Ducker, so I now know James' wife's first married name.

The eldest son Thomas appears to have become a coal miner in Witton Gilbert, co Durham which is an interesting move.

Apart from that, noting found so far. Thanks again - Richard

[Geoffers]

The eldest son Thomas appears to have become a coal miner in Witton Gilbert, co Durham which is an interesting move.
There was a substantial amount of migration along the coast to Yorkshire, Durham and Northumberland during the 19th century - all in search of work as agriculture was in decline on Norfolk.

If you aren't already aware of it, there is an online research aid called the Norfolk Transcription Archive which has an index to Aylsham registers, plus a good number of other parish registers for NE Norfolk.
http://www.genealogy.doun.org/transcriptions/index.php
The site also has some photos of Aylsham church, those I took aren't brilliant as it was a cloudy day, but they'll at least give you an idea of the town.

Geoffers

[rihuggett]

Hi Geoffers, hi Keltria,

Firstly no sign of a Sophia as a daughter of James Cory and Mary Ann Ducker going by the censuses or the web-site you named, Geoffers. Perhaps a cousin?

The web site gives years only for baptisms, marriages, burials etc. How then did you come by the whole date you gave for Thomas Cory and Susanna Burton's marriage, and James' baptism? Do you have specific info, or do you go into the Norwich Records Office regularly?

Can I suggest to anyone a data lookup exchange? What I have done in the past with genesreunited members is to offer to look up LMA parish records (I go to the London Metropolitan Archive, Islington about once a month - I live in Herts, so not too far) in exchange for info from the Essex Records Office in Chelmsford or the Surrey History Centre in Woking. It seems to work quite well if you can narrow the likely parish and event date down so as to make the search not too arduous.

From my perspective there are loads of precisions I would love to have on the Cory (Aylsham) and Douglass & Mills (Norwich) families, but don't want to trespass on other people's time and goodwill, nor spend £7 a go on certificates, so a form of data lookup exchange sounds ideal. Are there any takers? Can we work something out? Please contact me if so.

Thanks all of you, Richard

[Keltria]

These are the Cory's I am related to
James Cory abt 1809 Stratton Strawless, Head Stratton Strawless Norfolk

Maria Cory abt 1804 Horsford, Wife Stratton Strawless Norfolk

Eliza Cory abt 1837 Stratton Strawless, Daughter Stratton Strawless Norfolk

James Cory abt 1847 Stratton Strawless, Son Stratton Strawless Norfolk

John Cory abt 1832 Hevingham, Son Stratton Strawless Norfolk

Samuell Cory abt 1845 Stratton Strawless, Son Stratton Strawless Norfolk

Sarah Cory abt 1834 Stratton Strawless, Daughter Stratton Strawless Norfolk

Sophia Cory abt 1845 Stratton Strawless, Daughter Stratton Strawless Norfolk

Hope this helps a little.

[Geoffers]

The web site gives years only for baptisms, marriages, burials etc. How then did you come by the whole date you gave for Thomas Cory and Susanna Burton's marriage, and James' baptism?The site is only intended as a research aid - it helps you to locate entries in original records and attempts to give possible lines of enquiry to follow. The site was never intended to give full details.


Do you have specific info, or do you go into the Norwich Records Office regularly?Being injured I find difficulty in getting to Norwich very often. Thankfully, they sell many registers, ATs and BTs on fiches/film. I have a couple of thousand fiches, which are invaluable to me. Many of them cover about 30 parishes in NE Norfolk, centred on Buxton which is my main area of interest.

Geoffers

[Geoffers]

These are the Cory's I am related to
James Cory abt 1809 Stratton Strawless, Head Stratton Strawless Norfolk
Stratton Strawless Register 1809
"March 19 James son of Samuel and Margaret CORY was bap.


Stratton Strawless Marriage Register 1804
Samuel COURY, otp, sm, and Margaret WEG, otp, sw
married by banns 26 October 1804
Groom and Bride both X
wit: Isaac BRADFORD X, Robt SPARK, sig
(Robt Spark witnessed several marriages, he was probably a churchwarden)

Geoffers

[rihuggett]

Thankfully, they sell many registers, ATs and BTs on fiches/film. I have a couple of thousand fiches, which are invaluable to me. Many of them cover about 30 parishes in NE Norfolk, centred on Buxton which is my main area of interest.

Geoffers
Well you know I can access the FRS / LMA, Islington sans probleme, so if you have any requests, I'd be glad to research them for you. I would be glad of parish record lookups for Acle (Shingles family) and Aylsham (Cory) - to start with the children of Thomas and Susanna. The IGI gives the full baptism date for Sarah Ann, Mary Elizabeth, Elizabeth, Caroline Turner, and you gave me James Robert. Are you able to pass on Maria, 1829; Lucy, 1832; Susanna, 1827 and the 1844 marriage of James to Mary Ann Ducker?

There is also a 1848 baptism of Caroline Cory to Maria (no husband mentioned), ditto Ann Elizabeth Corry in 1845 to Sarah. If you feel generous there is always the next generation - the children of James and Maria Cory. But as I've said I don't want to take advantage without giving in return!

I have neither microfiche / microfim readers and know of no-one with them locally. I am happy - in an informal way - to help others out. My local library also has the 1841 - 1901 censuses (ancestry library edition) online.

Thanks, Richard

[rihuggett]

These are the Cory's I am related to - man wife children
Hope this helps a little.

Hi Keltria,

Thanks for the info on this Cory family line of yours. The children of James and Mary Ann on my line (contemporaries & in Aylsham) are below, taken from the 1861 census. In 1851 just Elizabeth and Thomas are there. I suspect another Martha and another Elizabeth died young. I think William died young too.

I looked at the rootsweb for Shingles, as I found an IGI reference to the marriage of James Cory and Mary Shingles, the lead came from the name of Thomas Shingles Cory (their son), and then Geoffer's guideline web-site. The Shingles family were all from Acle, however it had Mary's husband down as James Robert Cory, born c.1765 at Blofield, Norfolk. So my question, do you know of any of your Cory ancestors coming from Blofield? Interestingly Mary's stepmother was Susannah Cory, born Bradestone, acc. same rootsweb. I think the 2 Cory lines were related (if only because Stratton Strawless is in the district of Aylsham and my branch are found in Aylsham) but how far back is anyone's guess. Thomas Shingles Cory was one of several sons - rootsweb names James, b.c.1790 - but buried 1802; Arthur, also d.y. but William, and Edward both born Aylsham in 1797 and 1800 respectively.

James Cory m 1844 Mary Ann Ducker (born Erpingham), kids: Elizabeth, b.c.1851; James, c.1858; John, c.1860; Martha, c.1853; Mary Ann, c.1856; Thomas, c.1847. In addition: George Ducker, Mary Ann's own son. All found in 1861 census when living in Millgate Street, Aylsham a couple of doors down from James' widowed mother and her household of 2 daughters and 2 granddaughters.

All for now, thanks, Richard

[Geoffers]

to start with the children of Thomas and Susanna.
Aylsham Parish Register - Baptisms
Entry 262 - 22nd Feb 1818 Sarah Anne daur of Thomas + Susan CORY, otp, father a Baker
Entry 333 - 20th Jun 1819 Mary Elizabeth daur of Thomas + Susanna CORY, otp, father a Baker
Entry 591 - 28th May 1824 Elizabeth daur of Thomas + Susan CORY, otp, father a Baker

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[Geoffers]

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Entry 760 - 11th Feb 1827 Susanna daur of Thomas + Susanna CORY , otp, father a Baker
Entry 938 - 13th Sep 1829 Maria daur of Thomas + Susanna CORY, otp, father a Baker
Entry 1142 - 9th Dec 1832 Lucy daur of Thomas + Susanne CORY, otp, father a Baker
Entry 1342 - 13th Dec 1835 Caroline Turner daur of Thomas + Susanne CORY, otp, father a Baker

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[Geoffers]

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Aylsham Parish Register - Marriages
Entry 77 1st Sep 1844 by banns
James Robert CORY, 23, sm, labourer, otp, son of Thomas, Baker
Mary Ann DUCKER, 20, sw, otp, daur of John, labourer
Groom, sig - Bride, X
wit: (Henry?) TORTIES, sig - Susanna CORY, sig

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[Geoffers]

part 4.....


The IGI gives the full baptism date for Sarah Ann, Mary Elizabeth, Elizabeth, Caroline Turner
As with my responses, it is only a transcription, so you never know whether it is accurate, you should doublecheck my transcriptions, when you are able to do so.


I have neither microfiche / microfim readers and know of no-one with them locally
Being old technology, they can often be bought cheap, secondhand - other than that, libraries often have them gathering dust and staff are usually only to happy for the publis to use them. Also, it is now possible to buy scanners for fiches.

Geoffers

[rihuggett]

Thanks, Geoffers for the info again on the Cory children and James' marriage. His bride Mary Ann Ducker had had her son George out of wedlock evidently.

You have thousands of fiches!! More than the area of Buxton I'd imagine. I'll look into getting Aylsham's for the right dates and also Pockthorpe (Norwich) for the Douglasses. Question though, can you tell me the churches I should be asking for, to get the Cory marriages and baptisms and burials? I imagine the town had several churches in the mid-C19. Also what are the churches in Blofield in c.1765? - there is, acc. to the Shingles family rootsweb, a James Robert Cory born there at this time. Or do the fiches come in batches of churches per town on the same fiche, which would make life easier?

Thanks, Richard

[rihuggett]

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Being old technology, they (microfiche readers) can often be bought cheap, secondhand - other than that, libraries often have them gathering dust and staff are usually only to happy for the publis to use them. Also, it is now possible to buy scanners for fiches.

Geoffers

Hello Geoffers,
My library does have a microfiche reader. I am ordering microfiches for Aylsham, both marriage and baptism. I also want to get fiches for the parish church where Mary Elizabeth Douglass (nee Cory) and her husband John Douglass baptised thier 4 daughters. Since they lived in Pockthorpe St James, according to censuses, I suspect it is there that the Douglasses baptised their girls. To avoid ordering in vain, and if you yourself have this fiche, can you please look up a reference: Ellen Elizabeth Douglas, baptised 1856 / 57

Thanks again for your help.

[rihuggett]

Hello Keltria,


These are the Cory's I am related to
James Cory abt 1809 Stratton Strawless, Head Stratton Strawless Norfolk
etc....
Hope this helps a little.

You left off Ann Cory from the list of children.

Done a bit of snooping. The 1841 census records an Ann Cory living with James and Mary along with Eliza, John and Sarah. The scratch baptism register you can get by surname search, on-line also records James and Mary's children John March Cory in 1831 and Ann Cory in 1832 (only gives year), the mother is called Maria 'late March', ie her maiden name. They were both born in Heveningham. Their parents James Cory and Maria March married in Heveningham in 1830.

Do you have access to all the censuses? Tell me if not and I'll try and fill in the gaps.

- Richard

[Geoffers]

You have thousands of fiches!! More than the area of Buxton I'd imagine.
For Norfolk, I have fiches covering Buxton and three dozen parishes around it.


I'll look into getting Aylsham's for the right dates and also Pockthorpe (Norwich) for the Douglasses. Question though, can you tell me the churches I should be asking for, to get the Cory marriages and baptisms and burials? I imagine the town had several churches in the mid-C19.Aylsham was (is) a single CofE parish, similarly there is just one CofE church in Blofield. This makes things simpler if your family were just followers of the established church.


Or do the fiches come in batches of churches per town on the same fiche, which would make life easier?The fiches of registers available from the NRO are arranged by single parish. You don't have to but the entire collection in one go. For example, there are 48 fiches covering Aylsham registers, the NRO will sell this in smaller sections, if your interest doesn't cover the whole three centuries which they cover.

Geoffers

[rihuggett]

Hi Geoffers,

Thanks to you, thanks to the Nfhs and Mr.R. Cory's "The Norfolk Corys", I have managed to expand my knowledge of the Cory line considerably and have made inroads into the Douglasses who appear to have started out as Daglesses. I have a number of questions and some favours.

First the questions: is it because of the Norfolk accent that there is this Dagless / Douglass confusion? So perhaps they were originally Douglass (or even Douglass, an old Scottish name), but the Norfolk accent made the name phonetically 'dagless', and it was spelt as it was spoken, then when a more educated parson/curate came along, in charge of the parish records, deploring the Norfolk accent, he put down the name as Douglass, and this spelling has been retained till today. OR could Dagless be correct as spoken and as written, and the parson mistaking the pronunciation for faulty Norfolk speech, wrote down Douglass as a well-intentioned but spurious 'correction'?

Favours: if time and patience allow:
1) marriage in June qtr 1852 Aylsham between Elizabeth Cory and John Turtle Scott.

2) marriage in 1814 Aylsham between Mary Cory and Thomas Wright.

3) burial in 1837 in Aylsham of James Cory.

Using your microfiches could you please give me chapter and verse, including marriage witnesses / death informants?

Thanks a lot, rihuggett

[Geoffers]

First the questions: is it because of the Norfolk accent that there is this Dagless / Douglass confusion?
I would guess so, the tendency with the Norfolk accent is (as with many other parts of the country) to make sounds simpler. So you get the contraction of place names and pesonal names. Groups of vowels often suffer, examples being the 'eo' of George and 'ou' of Douglas, both coming out as something like 'ah'


So perhaps they were originally Douglass
Quite possibly, but this would need quite a lot of devling into records to show it was the case, but other names - Thirkettle/Thirkle/Thurtle and Riseborough changing to Raspberry come to mind as examples where something similar is likely to have happened.

Which is the original spelling/pronunciation of Douglass/Dagless is something I wouldn't like to guess at without a lot more information.....but it's nice to have a project to work on! As to your lookups.......

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[Geoffers]

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1) marriage in June qtr 1852 Aylsham between Elizabeth Cory and John Turtle Scott.
Aylsham Parish Register
Entry 166, Page 83
Marriage in the parish chuirch of Aylsham
29th April 1852
John Turtle SCOTT, of full age, widower, shoemaker, of Norwich, son of J(a?)mes? SCOTT (The question mark by the 'a' is because there is a long ascending stroke to make the letter look like a 'd') father's occupation, Throwster. (The father's occupation was originally written in his name column and crossed out.)
Elizabeth CORY, of full age, singlewoman, of Aylsham, daughter of Thomas CORY, Baker (father's occupation originally written in name column and crossed out).
Marriage after banns
Bride and groom both signed their names - both with nice handwriting.
witnesses (all signed) (May or Mary?) Lydia BECK, Elizabeth Theodoria (WORME?? first two letters unclear, this was a local surname, but it might possibly read VERNE??)
Lucy CORY

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2) marriage in 1814 Aylsham between Mary Cory and Thomas Wright.
Aylsham Parish Register
Entry 15, Page 5
Thomas WRIGHT, singleman, of this aprish and
Mary CORY, singlewoman, of this parish
were married in church by banns
21st September 1814
Groom and bride both signed, the signatures look to be in a confident handwriting
witnesses (All signed): John HORSTEAD, Mary MILLER, Edwd DEY

(Edwd DEY witnessed loads of marriages, he was a local churchwarden. There's someone reserching the Horstead family, I think there's a thread on the Norfolk forums somewhere. Mary Miller's signature looks to be a similar style to Mary CORY)

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[Geoffers]

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3) burial in 1837 in Aylsham of James Cory.
Aylsham Parish Register
Entry 962, Page 121
James CORY, of Reepham, buried 22nd August 1837, aged 78 years

In case it is of interest and you don't have the information, from the Enumerator's notes for the 1821 census of Aylsham:

Hungate Street - George CORY, 1 family, employed in agriculture, inhabiting 1 house - 1 male and 1 female

White Hart Street - Jas CORY, 1 family, employed in trade, occupying 1 house - 2 males and 3 females

Millgate upon the Hill - Thos CORY, 1 family, employed in trade, occupying 1 house, 2 males and 3 females.

Geoffers