Cause of death of rheum cardio nephritis

[ElaineMaul]

Hi,
I have a death certificate from 1890 where this is given as the cause of death ..... or, at least, that's what I think it says as the certificate is a bit faint. Although I can find nephritis via Google search, I'm still not completely sure what this cause of death actually means. It's probably some heart complaint or other, but I'm just curious!

Thanks.
Elaine

[Peter Goodey]

I gather that rheumatic fever can lead to rheumatic carditis and nephritis.

[Sandra Parker]

As Peter said, Rheumatic Carditis is the result of Rheumatic Fever and nephritis is Inflammation of the kidney. This comes from a great site, Paul Smith's Archaic Medical Terms, http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk/ArchaicMedicalTerms.htm

Sandra

[ElaineMaul]

Thank-you Peter and Sandra. The link is very interesting; thanks for that Sandra.

The death was of my husband's g-grandfather, Jacob Maul, who died in the German hospital in Whitechapel. This hospital was established for poor people of German descent in the East End of London. Jacob was actually born in Germany ..... but unfortunately all the censuses I've found him on (1871 & 1881) just say 'Germany' so I doubt I'll get any further with him and his wife.

Elaine

[DebbieAnn]

Before you give up, you might want to check this out:

http://members.cox.net/hessen/table.htm

Happy Hunting!!

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

Elaine,

Gave it a quick glance, and the only Maul's or Mäule's that I could see came from Württemberg, Germany. If this was their origin, you may just be in luck, as there is quite a bit of information on people who emmigrated from there (part of my ex-husband's family originated from there). It at least hints at a place to start...

Debbie

Edit: Other spellings might be Mahle or Möhl.

[DebbieAnn]

Oooohh, found a Jakob Mahl born in Falkenstein, Germany in 1770. Perhaps there were others of the same name in that area...

http://gedbas.genealogy.net/datenblatt.jsp;jsessionid=E92B7953B18C76A1AFBE7C91 0EF4C0B6?nr=998982113

What was his wife's name?

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

And one more: Jakob Mahle, b: Bünzwangen, Germany on 17 Feb 1818.

http://gedbas.genealogy.net/datenblatt.jsp;jsessionid=E92B7953B18C76A1AFBE7C91 0EF4C0B6?nr=994838326

Debbie

[ElaineMaul]

Wow ..... Debbie ..... you have been busy! I haven't had a chance to look at the links (and I'm going out in a minute so won't be able to for a while :( ) , but wanted to thank-you for going to so much trouble!

When Jacob's son, Henry (my husband's g-father), was born in 1872, his name is 'Jacob Maul' and his wife is Catherine nee Benjamin.

However, they were married in this country on 15th May 1864 at Saint George's German Lutheran church in Whitechapel and at this point, give their names as 'Jakob Maul' and 'Katharina Bingmann', both aged 30. For a while I wondered whether I'd got the right certificate but it ties in with the census of 1871 (Ref 10 523 F10 Pg19). They are both aged 37 with two children, the siblings of my husband's g-father. The occupation for Jacob at marriage and on the census is 'skin dresser' ..... and thank goodness 'Maul' is unusual enough that I'm sure it's right! However, on the 1871 census, the eldest child, Augustus is given as 10yrs old and also born in Germany (of course, Katharina/Catherine may not be his mother and this might be his second wife?).

So ..... marriage and census gives an approx birth date of c 1834 ..... a bit later than the info you gave ....... but I'll go away and look at those links and see what I find.

It would be really great to find out whereabouts in Germany they came from. On the 1901 census, Jacob's eldest son, Augustus, has it written next to his birthplace as 'Germany' but also Nationalised British Subject. I only found this quite recently and have wondered whether naturalisation papers will be at Kew that might give more details as to where they came from ...... haven't got round to following that one up though ......

Elaine

[DebbieAnn]

My ex's family, from Württemberg, Germany, were also Lutheran. They moved from there to the US in 1892.

Debbie

[Pam Downes]

Hi Elaine,
In case you don't have details about Kew
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp?j=1#n
is a list of all the research guides. Click on 'n' for naturalisation.
And 'i' for immigrants might be helpful too (after you've waded through the stuff for 1500-1600 :) )
If you get a chance to see or record Julian Clary's 'Who do you think you are' he went to Germany tracing relatives. It looks as if the BBC are currently repeating the series about 2-3a.m. on Tuesday mornings on BBC1. Sheila Hancock this week, so I think Julian should be on in another fortnight.
Pam Downes

[ElaineMaul]

Hi Pam,

Thanks for the link about Kew; I've never been there before.
We did see the programme with Julian Clary. Unlike his Mum, we aren't snobby about having German ancestry ..... or rather my husband isn't ...... but it makes our son a funny mixture of genes as there's an awlful lot of Irish on my side ..... as for the name, no one ever knows how to pronounce it and and I usually say 'Maul as in grope' :D .
I think I prefered the previous series of 'Who do you think you are' especially the little bit at the end where they looked in detail at how they went about the research and what records they consulted. I found this series a little frustrating as they didn't quite give enough information to work out how they'd found out what they did in a few instances IMHO of course!

I had hoped they'd give more information about naturalisation records for instance. Still ....... it was very good throughout with the amount of information it gave on the social history of the times, which I found really fascinating.

Elaine

[Pam Downes]

Hi Elaine,
I can't remember how much info Julian got from the UK before he went to Germany, so don't know if there is one particular sentence in the programme which might give you a clue of where to search in the UK (or Germany).
Re your comment about Jacob marrying in 1864 in Whitechapel and the possibility that Catherine might be his second wife - have you got the marriage certificate from the GRO/local registrar or just from the church? I would assume that the church one *should* be the same as a GRO one, in which case if it is his second marriage....and here I was going to say it will say 'widower' for his status, but of course he could just have been divorced (Germany might have had easier divorce laws).
Alternatively, is Augustus Catherine's son who Jacob adopted?
Pam Downes

[Pam Downes]

Hi Elaine,
Just very occasionally I have a flash of inspiration.
Have you heard of the Anglo-German Society?
http://www.art-science.com/agfhs/
(and from where there is a link to the Furriers and skin-dressers web site :) )
If you're free on Saturday 28th April, the Society will be at the Family History Show 2006 (used to be known as SoG Fair)
http://www.sog.org.uk/events/fair.html
click on exhibitors
and then quite near the top of that page there is a link to a plan of the tables so you'll know exactly where to head for.
I'm now off for a long lie-down whilst I recover from the rush of blood to the head :D
Pam Downes

[ElaineMaul]

Hi Pam,

(This is my lunch-hour so only a quick reply!) ..... I can't thank-you enough for being so helpful!
I have heard of the Anglo-German society. Haven't done anything about joining partly because I seem to know so little! However, I might well go down to the Family History Show ...... might be useful.
It's funny how I didn't notice until our 'conversation' caused me to really look at the information, how their eldest son was born before their marriage! I hadn't really paid Augustus too much notice as he's not a direct ancestor. A silly mistake, I know! Is their any possibility that they 'married again' once over here? They are both listed as single on the marriage certificate ...... although that may not be the truth, of course! I just wondered whether someone would be in a difficult situation(?) if they didn't have proof of their marriage once over here?
However ....... this is just random musing on my part :D ...... there's nothing to suggest this is the case!
Perhaps I aught to go and lie down in a darkened room, except the boss might object ;)
Elaine

[Pam Downes]

I have heard of the Anglo-German society. Haven't done anything about joining partly because I seem to know so little!
However, I might well go down to the Family History Show ...... might be useful. But that's why you join FHSs - to increase your knowledge :)
I would certainly recommend a visit to the stall. They would no doubt be able to confirm whether your first plan of action should be a visit to Kew to find the naturalisation papers. Make sure you take precise transcripts of the census so that you know when the family's entries read 'naturalised'.
It's funny how I didn't notice until our 'conversation' caused me to really look at the information, how their eldest son was born before their marriage! I hadn't really paid Augustus too much notice as he's not a direct ancestor. It's surprising what a difference a comment can make. Back in my beginner days, I'd found my granddad in the 1881 census, both he and his elder brother had left home, their father was dead, but no way could I find their mother. I knew she was still alive because my mum knew that she'd lived with my grandparents after their marriage in 1903. I was talking about the problem with my mum and she mentioned 'aunt Ruth'. I knew Ruth but had forgotten all about her. There she was on the 1881 - with great granny, and great granny's new hubby who is also undoubtedly Ruth's father because Ruth has his surname as her middle name.
Pam Downes