Thomas MORRIS, Ludlow, look up 1871

[Lesleyguest]

Hello,

Looking for Thomas MORRIS, b. Ludlow, age 41, with wife Maria and family on the 1871.

He appears on the 1881 with daughter Agnes, and two nieces, Mary Jane and Sarah J.

Trying to determine if this family is related to my ggrandma, Alice Edith MORRIS, b. Staff, Wolverhampton, 1873c.

Thank you, Lesleyguest

[janbooth]

This looks like him, Lesley, in Ludford in the 1871:

RG10/2725, folio 116, page 5
Teme? Terrace

Thomas MORRIS Head Mar 49 Labourer Ludlow Salop
Maria do Wife Mar 50 Downton Salop
Emma do Daur Unm 17 Servant Ludlow Salop
Robert do Son Unm 14 Errand Boy Ludlow Salop
Agness do Daur Unm 12 Scholar Ludlow Salop

Hope this helps.

Janet

[Lesleyguest]

Hi Jan,

Thank you for looking up Thomas MORRIS, b. Ludow, age 41, on the 1871. It's very helpful.

It looks like I need to go back to the 1861 though, to find this Thomas with his daughter Ann. Ann would be age 9, in 1861. There could possibly be another sister, Sarah Maria, age 10, with them.

By 1871, Ann, age 19, must have already left home.


This is in an effort to find Ann LAIGHT's (nee MORRIS) family. Ann is living in Wolverhampton on the 1881, and her father is listed as Thomas MORRIS on her 1879 marriage certificate.

(There is another Ann MORRIS, father Thomas, from Montford,...who you kindly located for me...but as she is working in St. Chad, Shrewsbury, by 1871, rather than the Wolverhampton area, I'm more inclined to this Ludlow family).

Regards, and thank you once again for your help, Lesley

(Trying to identify, on the 1881, ggran Alice Edith ELLIS (MORRIS), b. 1873c. Staff. Wolverhampton (1901))

[janbooth]

Hello again Lesley,

I have looked for Thomas MORRIS born Ludlow, and family, in the 1861 census but I'm afraid there is no Ann with them:

RG9/1836, folio 28, page 20
Schedule 106, Lower Broad St, St Lawrence, Ludlow

Thomas MORRIS Head Mar 40 General Labourer Salop Ludlow
Maria do Wife Mar 42 Herefordsh Downton
Mary do Daur Un 19 House Servt Salop Ludlow
Edwd do Son Un 17 General Labourer do do
Elizabeth do Daur 13 Scholar do Stanton Lacy
Emma do Daur 7 do Herefordsh Ludford
Robert do Son 3 do do
Agnes do Daur 1 do do

There is, however, an Ann MORRIS with the Thomas in Montford:

RG9/1866, folio 30, page 5
Schedule 29, Forton

Thomas MORRIS Head Mar 48 Agrl Labourer Montford Salop
Sarah do Wife Mar 46 St Alkmans do
Martha do Daur Un 10 Montford do
Ann do Daur Un 8 do do
Mary do Daur Un 6 do do
Esther do Daur 2 do do
Martha do Mother Widow 78 do do

I also looked for a birth registration of Alice Edith MORRIS between 1872 and 1876 and could not find one at all. Sorry not to be of more help.

Janet

[Lesleyguest]

Hi Janet,

Thank you. Your 1861 information suggests that Martha, Mary or Esther from the Montford family could be possible mothers for Alice MORRIS, b. Shropshire, age 6, Ann LAIGHT (nee MORRIS) niece.


According to the family and all the records I have so far, my ggran was Alice Edith MORRIS, b. 1873c. Staff, Wolverhampton (1901)


On the 1891, there are two possible servants for Alice, one of them was born in Bridgenorth, Shropshire. Her family, according to the IGI, may be on the 1871 census as George MORRIS, 34, Emma 35, with William 6 and Sarah 3. But by 1881, they do not appear together, so I don't know who the Alice MORRIS, Bridgenorth servant is on the 1881, age 7.

The other servant is in Codsall, near Wolverhampton, but it is hard to tell exactly who her family is on the 1881 also. It may be the Ann LAIGHT niece Alice.

Would looking at parish records be of any help do you think, and if so, how do I go about it? Any further interest appreciated.

Regards, Lesley.

[janbooth]

Lesley,

What was Frederick MORRIS's occupation shown as on Alice's marriage certificate?? It might help to trace him in census records. I have tried to trace back the George MORRIS shown on the IGI as the father of Alice born in Bridgenorth and his father was also a Thomas MORRIS who was born in Bishops Castle, Shropshire according the census records. In the 1841 census this family was in Kinton, Herefordshire and yes this Thomas did have a daughter Ann but she was shown as 15 on the 1841 census!!!

I have found 3 Alice MORRIS's registered in Wolverhampton, one in Jun qtr 1872 vol 6b page 534, one in Jun qtr 1874 vol 6b page 677 and one in Dec qtr 1876 vol 6b page 607. I don't know if any of them could be your Alice. It could be an idea to look through the Bridgenorth PR's to maybe eliminate or otherwise the Alice MORRIS shown in the 1881 census living with Ann LAIGHT. Let me know what Frederick's occupation was and I will see if I can trace him.

Janet

[Lesleyguest]

Hi Janet,

Thank you for your reply. Alice's father is listed as a Frederick MORRIS, Gardener, Domestic and he was deceased by the 1898 marriage certificate (Salford, Lancashire).

This document has ggran's name down as just Edith MORRIS...but it is definitely her.

I haven't been able to make any connection between an Alice with a father Frederick though, and I'm wondering if there was a mistake or he was her step-father.

Based on the 1901 census Wolverhampton birth, my ggran Alice should be one of those three Wolverhampton entries. Her gravestone and death certificate say she died age 58 in 1931. (In both these entries she is listed as Alice Edith MORRIS, and she used the name Alice when she was a witness at the 1901 marriage of her sister-in-law, along with the birth certifcate of her first child).

However, as there is still the Didsbury servant born in Bridgenorth on the 1891, which is very close to where ggan lived in Pendleton and Stockport, I will work on the PR's for Bridgenorth.

Thank you once again for all your help.

Regards, Lesley...researching Alice Edith (ELLLIS) MORRIS, b. Staff Wolverhampton, 1873c. (1901)