Help with Ocupation

[RDCLawton]

Im having difficulty reading the occupation of William Marston on the 1871 Census - Image is

www.y3mirror.co.uk/1871_Rev.W_Marston_Oc.jpg (http://www.y3mirror.co.uk/1871_Rev.W_Marston_Oc.jpg)

the last word could be 'Souls?' but I cant get the rest

Any ideas? |help|

Thanks

Chris Lawton

[Julie Tyrell]

Have you got any more of the census to compare letters to each other. I thought that the first letter may not be a S (souls) but a L, as the 's' in son and servant is different.

Julie

[Ladkyis]

I think it starts " Without fe?? of j?uls

I am not sure if the last word begins with a J or an L -- I am comparing with the names of the daughters here. But it could be that he just couldn't spell what he was trying to write, after all one of the household was born in Monmouthshire and while the enumerator has written Llanthewy - the anglicised version he has scribbled the next bit which should be Rhydderch local pronunciation will be provided on request :D

Ann

[RDCLawton]

Full Page

www.y3mirror.co.uk/1871_Rev.W_Marston.gif (http://www.y3mirror.co.uk/1871_Rev.W_Marston.gif)

Thanks

[Rod Neep]

He is a minister "without care of souls".

i.e. a vicar who at present does not have a church.
Once you have seen this sort of thing before, then it is very obvious.

Rod

[Ladkyis]

:o Well how dumb can I be?? I knew that because I have been chasing ministers in my son in laws ancestry and I had seen that phrase in something else only last week! I will blame it on the weather or my age or something - but I will still give the local pronunciation of Llanddewi Rhydderch to anyone who wants it and by local I mean how it was said by people who lived there.


Ann

[RDCLawton]

Thanks both - Yes I should have known better aswell - The Daughter was born Llandewi Skirrid as we my Great aunts. One of whome till her death age 90 insisted that Abergaveny was 'Agabveny'

Thanks again

Chris|hug|

[kazrbutler]

I made it to be:

Without Call of souls

Then read Rod's "Without Care of souls". Meaning would still stand, but I think the word looks more like call than care.
Enjoyed trying to make that one out.
Karen

[Geoffers]

but I think the word looks more like call than care.
It's definitely 'care' - the form of some letters can be confusing.

Geoffers

[kazrbutler]

Hi Geoffers,

I can read it as care now! My eyes must have been playing tricks on me last night. I think I had spent too long concentrating on trying to read it before I saw Rod's post.

Karen :o

[Peter Goodey]

"without care of souls"

As in "sinecure" ;)

[Rod Neep]

Indeed.

You see, the term "without care of souls" is official wording used to describe a vicar who doesn't have a church at the time.

Now that you have seen it, you will always remember it, no matter how poor the handwriting. :)

Rod

[RDCLawton]

I thought my last one was bad but how about this

www.y3mirror.co.uk/1851_Matthews_Llangarron.gif (http://www.y3mirror.co.uk/1851_Matthews_Llangarron.gif)

William Matthews ****** Lab?

Help |help|

Have fun

Chris

[Linda]

It looks as though the enumertor has made an error. The first word is the same as the occupation for William Mathews in the next family but it is crossed out - looks like Mason to me.


Linda

[AnnB]

How about Masons Lab.?

Best wishes :)
Ann

[AnnB]

Snap Linda :D

Best wishes
Ann

[RDCLawton]

10 years later he is listed as Ag Lab

Enumerator error and crossed out on the 1851?

I will get better at this with time :o

Chris

[Geoffers]

I thought my last one was bad but how about this

(http://www.y3mirror.co.uk/1851_Matthews_Llangarron.gif)William Matthews ****** Lab?
He was a labourer, the word prior to that has been crossed out.

Geoffers

[RDCLawton]

Thanks

Chris :D

[Ladkyis]

I go with Linda and Geoffers, the word has been crossed out - so that tells you how the enumerator did his book all the names on the page first and then the occupations and so "William Matthews ok, yep, Mason put him in the done pile and lets see William Mason age...? oh bother, cross that out and put it right".


Ann

[RDCLawton]

Thomas W. Oakley was a solicitor but I can't quite make the full details.

www.y3mirror.co.uk/1861_TW_Oakeley.gif (http://www.y3mirror.co.uk/1861_TW_Oakeley.gif)

Please let me know if this is getting repetative |blush|.

Thanks

Chris

[Mythology]

Atty & Solicitor & Landed proprietor
[Atty = Attorney]

[RDCLawton]

Thanks that makes perfect sense.

Chris :D